Monday, September 26, 2005

Marching With The Moonbats In DC

The lefties held a giant protest-fest in Washington, DC this last Saturday, September 24th, ostensibly to protest the war in Iraq. I took my camera along to show you the dirty underbelly of the demonstration that the local news won't show you. Here are my pix. Enjoy.

Don't be fooled by the ANSWER T-shirt this vendor is hawking at the demonstration. Washington T-shirt sellers are the most opportunistic capitalist entrepreneurs you will ever see. If this demonstration demanded that innocent kittens be drowned, the T-shirt sellers would be on the streets with "Kill The Evil Kittens" T-shirts. I once asked a T-shirt seller at a peace rally whether if the march was against T-shirt sellers, would he sell T-shirts saying, "DEATH TO T-SHIRT SELLERS!" Yup, he said, "It's all about the almighty dollar." I love these guys.

The best part is that these T-shirts are made in the foreign sweatshops these lefties claim to oppose. Savor the hypocrisy.

The brain-damaged lefties don't understand that in real fascist states the fascists arrest you, beat you, and throw you in a dark dungeon for calling them fascist. Toting a sign around calling the government fascist is a guarantee that you don't live in a fascist state. So this sign rebuts itself.

This is what it looks like when rednecks go bad.

Not surprised to see him there. He may be the event planner.

I think maybe this was their imperial wizard.

This woman was sitting on the sidewalk with her top down. As a concession to modesty, she had what looked like blue electrical tape over her nipples. I'm not sure what this was about, but I'm for it. This is one area where conservative protestors can learn a lot from liberal protestors. That means you, Ann Coulter!

This guy is wearing Old Glory and the flag of Saddam's regime in Iraq. You can tell because Saddam added "God is Great" to the Iraqi flag in his own handwriting, which you can see between the stars. The new Iraqi flag keeps the same basic design but uses a more stylized font for "Allah Akbar." I saw as many of Saddam's flags at the anti-war rally as American flags. If you are flying the flag of Saddam, whose Baathist henchmen are killing and wounding our troops, you are not demonstrating for peace. You are rooting for the enemy. This march was festooned with Saddam's flag.


This commie babe was hawking copies of the "Socialist Worker" for a buck apiece. I told her that I rejected such crass capitalistic exchanges and would prefer to wait until the revolution was complete and all things would be free to all the workers. OK, so I was flirting with her a bit. I know, I know, she's a commie and commies are bad, well, worse than bad, pure evil. But she was cute. It kinda looks like she was buying my line of crap, too.

Sometimes I lose my focus.

This guy was protesting Coca-Cola, which he called "Killer-Cola, The Drink That Represses!" His flier says he's pretty sure that Coke is running paramilitary death squads in South America that kidnap, torture, and murder its enemies. It's a conspiracy, of course. Sprite, Fanta, Minute Maid, Nestea, Powerade, Swerve, and Dasani are all part of it. You can read all about it in his website at www.killercoke.org. Quite frankly, I've always had my doubts about Sprite.

This was a huge crowd in the Ellipse listening to the endless stream of speakers, each pitching a short harangue. My eye is used to seeing four thousand people in one spot after years of forming up with the Cadet Wing for lunch at the Air Force Academy. It looked like at least three Cadet Wings out there. I'd guess the crowd in the Ellipse at about 15,000. That was a fraction of the total rally.


I walked up as the venomous Ramsey Clark was thundering abuse at the Bush administration: "BUSH LIED!" Speaker after speaker, three or four dozen of them, took the podium in an endless stream to each pitch a five minute diatribe. Ben Dupuy, one of Haitian ex-president Aristide's henchmen, gave a scathing denunciation of Bush ("BUSH LIED!") and asked, "Is this the kind of democracy we want!?" As I recall, Aristide's democracy involved mounting gasoline-soaked tires on its enemies necks and lighting them. Necklacing, they called it.

A Palestinian activist took the podium and cried, "Bush LIED about the WMDs!" A black activist told the crowd that Katrina was racist genocide and Bush lied. Reverend John Thomas from the United Church of Christ, the only guy wearing a suit, said Bush lied about this war and complained that the US is not popular in the world anymore. A crew of people from Cindy Sheehan's "Bring Them Home Now" tour said Bush lied, this is a racist war: "It's SO time to bring our troops home!"

The representative of Black Voices for Peace shouted, "This is the most dangerous government to come to power in the history of the US!" Well, I certainly hope so and I hope Al Qaeda and the Baathists and Iran and North Korea think so too. The last administration was a touchy-feely kumbaya government and look where it got us.

The Green Party spoke. Bush lied. A poet spoke. Bush lied. Another Palestinian guy. Bush lied.

I could never be a lefty because the speeches would wear me out. You'd think after the first half dozen speakers told you Bush lied that everyone would get it and want to move on. But no, apparently the ANSWER organizers want to pummel the crowd's minds into submission with One Big Lie, told over and over again. As Lenin said, and I'm sure the comrades at ANSWER could confirm, "A lie told often enough becomes the truth."

Some of the lefties in the crowd couldn't take it either and began to get restless. A poet from Def Poetry Jam said rich people caused poor people to suffer in Katrina. Bush lied. Another Palestine activist was introduced. "LET'S MARCH!" people in the crowd started yelling. The Palestinian guy blathered on about racism, the Israeli and American kind, not the Palestinian kind. Hundreds of people started leaving.

Another Palestinian activist was introduced. "NO! NO! NO!" cried the crowd. "LET'S MARCH!" As he started to talk about Palestine, a lefty next to me said to himself, "Who cares," turned around and left.

An Israeli refusenik began railing on Israel. The war in Iraq, he claimed, would devastate the US military and our society would collapse.

"MARCH NOW! MARCH NOW!" the crowd chanted. There was a brief intermission while some administrative announcements were made. A girl was told to meet her mother in the Socialist Liberation tent. I stifled a laugh. Another speaker was announced. "NO! NO! NO!" complained the crowd.

Some guy from South Africa spoke who sounded like Garrett Morris from Saturday Night Live doing Chico Escuela. I purt near expected him to say, "Revolution been berry berry good to me!" Instead he just kept saying over and over, "DOWN with George Bush, DOWN! DOWN with war in Iraq, DOWN!" Then he led the crowd in the chant, "ANOTHER WORLD IS POSSIBLE!"

The crowd must have believed another world was possible because when they introduced the next speaker, George Friday of United for Peace and Justice, they all went looking for it. Only a thousand people stayed to hear the next poet. Bush lied. Then a speaker wailing about the Cuban Five. Bush lied. Then they trotted out a string of American Muslim speakers: "...we live in a virtual concentration camp of fear...." It was hip deep, my friends, hip deep.

By this time so many lefties had left for the march that I could walk up next to the podium. The moderators made desperate pleas to the crowd to stay to hear the rest of the speakers, telling them that the streets were so crowded the march could not move. However, you could look over to the street a block away and see the march pulling out to the White House with thousands of people.

Ralph Nader began spouting off about how Bush was a warmonger and must be impeached. Bush lied. I was just opening the door to the Portajohn when Jessica Lange, the actress, began speaking. I couldn't hear her words, just the tone, just like the tone your mother took with you when you were a little kid and tracked mud into the house. It sounded like this: "Yappity yappity yip yip yip. BUSH LIED."

Now I don't want to give the impression that the protest was all bad. For many, it was a family event, a chance to spend some quality time bonding with the children. For the kids, it was the chance to make golden memories they will cherish all their lives: the first time they waved a revolutionary banner, the first time they called for the overthrow of America, their coming of age in the collective. I'm sure they will carry these precious moments forward to future anti-American rallies and thank Mom for it all. It makes you kinda misty, doesn't it?


Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER) is the organizer of this antiwar demonstration and every antiwar demonstration in Washington. ANSWER is a front organization for the Workers World Party (WWP), who are Stalinists. The original cadre of the WWP were refugees from the old Communist Party of the USA (CPUSA), who left when the Soviet Union folded and stopped covertly slipping the CPUSA a million bucks a year. ANSWER won't answer where it gets its funding, but the giveaway is that the WWP leaders keep treking to North Korea to extoll the worker's paradise there. Kim Jong Il is probably their sugar daddy.


The wild mob of Bush-haters display their dark fantasy. As I understand it, the bloody head on a stick is the international symbol for pacifism, a fitting symbol for this "peace" march and a neat icon for what this march was all about.


The mob reaches the White House and camps out.

It was all about hating Bush; a primitive, feral hate something akin to the Wahhabi hate for infidels. It was expressed in the language the proud vulgarians of the Left know best.


The Socialist Alternative, one of many socialist groups marching ostensibly for peace. However, the socialist alternative usually involves killing people in big bloody batches to achieve their utopia.

They were chanting, "Dump the elephant, Dump the ass, Build the party of the working class!"


This may be the scariest thing I saw all day. It is just so wrong on so many levels. It's a nightmare vision I'm going to have a hard time scrubbing out of my head.

The staff at Conservative Propaganda wishes to extend its apologies at this point for the lunch you just lost. However, our team of lawyers tells us we are not responsible for any dry cleaning expenses you may have incurred.


Young radicals wave ANSWER banners emblazoned with Che Guevara's image and the slogan "RESIST IMPERIALISM!" However, if you really want to resist imperialism, you would be on America's side, opposing imperialists in Iraq. The Baathist imperialists built a Sunni empire in Iraq which mistreated the Kurds and Shiites as subjects which they killed en masse at will. Zarqawi's branch of Al Qaeda's religious imperialists are embarked on a murderous campaign to conquer the whole world for Islam and make everyone bow to Mecca. America, on the other hand, is establishing a democracy in Iraq that will allow Iraqis to vote on their own fate.

The girl in the center is wearing a T-shirt that proclaims, "THE ONLY BUSH I TRUST IS MY OWN!" It sounds like a dubious proposition but it ranked among the most thoughtful of the arguments offered by the protest mob, who tended to confuse foreign policy with their sex lives.

ANSWER is the Stalinist group that organized this antiwar demonstration. They call the tune and let the large liberal groups provide the chorus.

There were a fair number of lefty conspiracy theorists toting banners about that revealed that America attacked itself on Sep 11, not the Muslim religious imperialists of Al Qaeda like everyone thinks. That's all a cover story put out by the White House. Bush lied about that, too, you see.

I took a flier from one of the groups, 911Truth.org, which told me a lot of things that I just didn't know. For example: 1) The Bush administration dreamed up the Sep 11 attacks in order to pump up the Pentagon budget with a "New Pearl Harbor;" 2) Six of the skyjackers are still alive; 3) The World Trade Center was not brought down by those jetliners that hit it but by controlled demolitions; 4) The destruction of the neighoring 7 World Trade Center was done to destroy files investigating Enron, Worldcom, and others.

That's why the Left is so much smarter than the Right. The Left just knows a lot of stuff like this the rest of us just don't know at all.

Thanks for sharing.

The haters turn their fury on the White House and let their middle fingers fly.


Actually, bombing Germany and Japan in WWII did bring about peace quite neatly. And bombing Afghanistan stopped follow-on attacks by Al Qaeda on America from there after September 11. Give bombing a chance, I say. Visualize smart bombs. On Saudi Arabia.


Some of the protest mob began berating the police manning the thin blue line protecting the White House. These two womyn demanded to know why so many of the police in the line were black. They were convinced it was some kind of racist conspiracy by the Rovian White House. I guess it never occurred to white liberal women like them that most of the people in DC are black so it follows that most of the police in DC are black. Duh.

Protestors from the Socialist Worker, the newspaper of the International Socialist Organization. You can never have too many commies at a peace march. Commies love to march for peace, when they're not invading countries or rounding up people to be shot.


Proudly carrying the ANSWER banner into mainstream America.


The Communist Party of the USA. Yeah, they're still around. A big demonstration like this brings all the critters out from under their rocks. Now, sit back and ask yourself, why didn't I see any of these commie banners on TV nor hear tell of them in the newspaper? Why? Is it because the mainstream media is perfectly fair and unbiased and somehow missed seeing all of them? Or could it be that the liberals in the media avoid mention of them and refuse to televise them because they would taint the anti-war cause they support? You be the judge.

The lefty moonbats display their plumage.

The march winds up with a parade of flag-draped coffins.
Unfortunately, there is no IQ test to exercise free speech in America. You might keep this photo handy for the next time you hear a liberal say they are smarter than conservatives. Say what you will about conservatives, the one thing you will never see a Republican doing is waltzing around the White House with his johnson flying in the breeze like this lefty genius.


This protestor believes that the CIA kidnapped his daughter after sending her subliminal messages over the Internet. I don't make this stuff up, folks. I just report what I see. But it makes as much sense as anything else I saw at the protest march.


The big peace sign at the end.

You can see the whole set of pix I took here.

The demonstration was huge. It could well have been a hundred thousand people there. It wasn't really an anti-war protest so much as dozens of protests against everything under the sun all hung on the central theme of hating Bush. That brought out a rather representative slice of the left side of the country. And when they come out in the light, what you see is a freak show.

You have now seen the images I saw, but let me pause for a moment to contemplate what I did not see here. I saw no sign mentioning Saddam, Zarqawi, the Baathists, let alone condemning them. You would think that pacifists in a peace march might object to Muslim warmongers beheading people for their religion. Not a whiff of such sentiment was to be seen. In fact, it appeared that beheading Bush is something they might like to do. It's quite apparent that they are not against war, just against America.

I did not see one mainstream Democrat politician, which is pretty amazing considering they could walk from their offices at the Capitol to this demonstration. Apparently, they don't want to be embarassed by association with this wacked out extremist crowd. Somebody might have taken their photo next to Bush's head on a stick or the Sep 11 conspiracy theorists or next to the parade of flag-draped coffins and used it to discredit them. Somebody like me.

What I didn't see is the people of the greater Washington metro area turn out to march against the war. Rather than join the march against the war, they participated in a five million man march to the refrigerator for a cold one, then back to the couch.

In the end, it was just a giant temper tantrum, a tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.


*** UPDATE ***

Some lefties are proclaiming that 300,000 protestors showed up for this rally. After some thought, I'm going to estimate that it was about 40,000 [corrected]. Here are my reasons.

A lane of traffic is 11 feet across, so the four lanes of road on 15th St NW and Pennsylvania Avenue are 44 feet across. Multiply that by 5280 feet and you have 232,320 sq ft of street in a mile.

The crowd was fairly dense. You could reach out your hand and touch people to your side and in front and back. So let's say that each person occupied a three foot by three foot bubble of space. That means that 25,813 people can fit in a mile of four lane street (232,320 sq ft divided by 9 sq ft).

The crowd was so tightly packed that it got in its own way. We moved at a shuffle and stopped a lot. From the times recorded on my photos, I see it took me 48 minutes to walk the 3200 feet from the beginning of the march to the White House. That's 0.76 miles per hour.

It looked to me that it took a couple hours for the march to pass the White House. In two hours you can walk about 1.52 miles [corrected] at 0.76 mile per hour. That means there were about 1.52 miles of people in this march or 39,236 (1.52 miles times 25,813 people per mile). Of course, the main body of the march was more tightly packed than the tail of it, which petered off, so this is a high estimate.

If there were 300,000 protestors, as the lefty fabricators claim, it would have taken nearly nine hours for the entire march to pass the White House. The parade would have been 11.6 miles long, which means that it would have stretched out of Washington into the suburbs, very nearly to the end of the Metro lines. That means that the parade would have continued into the night. However, the crowd had substantially dispersed in front of the White House by 4:30 PM. To get twelve miles of marchers past the White House in two hours, they would have needed to do so at a jog, like a 10K run. That wasn't so. They creeped by. The 300,000 protestor claim is self-evidently false upon simple examination. So is the even bigger lies of 500,000 marchers.

So there's another lefty lie undone by simple arithmetic, the bane of liberals everywhere.

*** UPDATE ***

Looks like misrepresentation is a theme of this protest.

Here is Jeb Eddy, who waved a banner at the protests claiming to be ashamed to be Republican. "Wizbang" googles him to discover, rather easily, that he's an imposter, a long-time hard core liberal lying to make his point. Why would he lie? Because the truth doesn't work for the Left.

"Stop the Bleating" discovers with a simple Google search that a self-described novice protestor in a Washington Post article is a veteran protestor who has worked with ANSWER in the past.

The lefties have not caught on to the fact that there are a zillion conservative bloggers who are happy to fact check their asses, unlike their sympathizers in the liberal main stream media who are happy to be their credulous messengers. What the bloggers are finding is that the lefties have been blatantly lying all along without fear of being found out. We can only hope they remain too ignorant to feel fear.

71 Comments:

Blogger Daniel in Brookline said...

Whoa.

Looking at the complete list of photos only makes it worse. Is that a guy with a peace sign shaved into his chest hair?!? (Come on, dude, go all the way and make it a tattoo. You're not afraid you'll change your mind, are you?)

Mostly I went looking for 'protest babes', and I'll admit that you found some. Then again, in a crowd of supposedly 100,000, I guess there had to be a few.

You were right. My God, what a freak show.

Wed Sep 28, 02:38:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Communist Party, USA"

Uh... that's an oxymoron if I've ever seen one.

It always shocks me the amount of older people I see at these freak shows. I always think that this type of ignorance can only be attributed, or should be, to young people who don't know any better.

How pitiful.

Thanks for the play-by-play and the photos.

NJ

Wed Sep 28, 03:03:00 PM 2005  
Blogger GunnNutt said...

Tantor, this is fantastic! Your accounts are informed, funny, and snarky enough to be quoted. Great photos to boot! I gotta link to this one...

Wed Sep 28, 05:13:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Ivan said...

Awesome. If the "peace" movement can just show its face to all of moderate America, I'm just SURE the movement will take off!

Where are CNN, NYT, LAT, and MSNBC when you really, really need 'em? If any recent event needed mass media coverage, this was it. America needs the truth! Show 'em who the "peace movement" REALLY is, and ensure a GOP majority for decades to come!

Wed Sep 28, 05:27:00 PM 2005  
Blogger GunnNutt said...

Holy cow! I didn't realize Smash already linked you. Your sitemeter's goin' nuts. Congrats! (I might be lucky to send my 5 readers your way)

Wed Sep 28, 05:45:00 PM 2005  
Blogger ShawarmaBoy said...

Where in the hell was that boy named Malik or Abu?????? Did you run into him?

Wed Sep 28, 06:37:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He was probably in the crowd somewhere cheering when the Muslims claimed they were being beaten to a pulp by the Patriot Act. I'm sure one day he'll find his way back here.

Tantor

Wed Sep 28, 09:03:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GunnNutt,

Snarky? I like the sound of that. Thanks for the kind words, the link, and the readers. Eyeballs are eyeballs and all eyeballs are good eyeballs.

Tantor

Wed Sep 28, 09:07:00 PM 2005  
Blogger StinKerr said...

I don't blame you for hittin on the commie babe. She might have shown you a new trick. After all, her head is hollow.

Wed Sep 28, 09:22:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Peakah said...

Outstanding work... it must have taken a few days for the brainwaves to reacclimate to reality after being in loony land for as long as you were.

You have much more patience than I.

Keep up the good work!

Wed Sep 28, 11:58:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having grown up during the fifties and sixties and seeing some real shit up close and personalin that I was briefly a member of the SDS etc., these [so-called] demonstrators here are no doubt the latest gaggle of bored rich kids with no direction or one thought of their own. I'd like to be there when Mom and Pops decide to stop funding juniors (or juniorettes) latest escapade.

If they are so gun-ho to support Islamic extremists, haters of Israel and that ilk, I want to see them put their money where their big mouths are and go over [there] and see that their little pissing contests are nothing more than childish banter and they might as well be pissing into a cyclone.

Thu Sep 29, 12:49:00 AM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These people are cuckoo for Coco Puffs.

Thu Sep 29, 01:32:00 AM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this is all that money can buy, I don't want to ever hear another argument about campaign finance. Obviously money isn't all that is needed.

All I see is 100,000 people who ought to sue the government for failing to educate them. I believe in serious discussions about policy; they are necessary. "Bush Lied" is not an argument.

Pathetic. If I were an Islamofascist thug, I'd be embarrassed to have these people speaking for me.

Thu Sep 29, 02:23:00 AM 2005  
Anonymous Claire said...

Excellent field research in Moonbatology! I admire your adventurous spirit; now hit the decontamination tent.

Thu Sep 29, 11:09:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Kat said...

I don't know whether to laugh hysterically at these...whatever they are... or throw up, LOL!!! *rolls eyes*

I think Claire said it best: "Excellent field research in Moonbatology! I admire your adventurous spirit; now hit the decontamination tent."

PS ~ and yes, I wandered over here via Gun Nut's blog... :-)

Thu Sep 29, 11:47:00 AM 2005  
Anonymous rightwingprof said...

Seriously, this is pure genius. And you need to get trackbacks:

http://rightwingnation.com/index.php/2005/09/29/290/

Thu Sep 29, 01:24:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous "gunner" said...

I think "Mad" magazine's old description of their staff fits the rabble in the photos... "the usual gang of idiots."

Thu Sep 29, 03:26:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Proudmarcher said...

I was there and the normal people outweighed the freaks 20:1. Of course, who wants to take pictures of normal people. That would -OMIGOD- make the whole damn protest too legitimate.

Never mind that the polls show 63% of the population in favor of getting out of Iraq (nothing to do with 9/11 and no WMDs - Oh but Bush is a saint who can lie with impunity).

Stupid Wingnuts - fall for this slanted take on the march.

Thu Sep 29, 04:08:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Da Goddess said...

Isn't it amazing that there can be banner after banner touting socialism and communism at rallies and yet none of them ever make it into the news reports about those same rallies?

Aye, they're a crazy bunch of pacifists, aren't they? I mean, Bush's head on a stick is so very gentle.

Great coverage!

Thu Sep 29, 05:00:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Proudmarcher,

It really depends on what you mean by normal. Would normal people allow themselves to be led by Stalinists? When you march with Stalinists, like ANSWER, you serve their cause.

Evading your support for Stalinist organizations like ANSWER which seek to overthrow American democracy is akin to evading responsibility for the Nazis by people who called themselves good Germans. I'm sure the good Germans outnumbered the Nazis by far more than 20 to 1. Look where that minority took them. Look where ANSWER is taking you.

The march is not legitimate when it demands that the US pull out of Iraq now. That would hardly bring about peace but rather give Iraq up to the worst people on Earth, mass-murdering Baathists or head-cutting Wahhabis. Such implicit support for evil delegitimizes your cause as dimwitted facilitators of evil.

My guess is that 100% of the US is in favor of getting out of Iraq. The only difference among us concerns when and under what conditions. We conservatives want to leave after Iraq has been stabilized and enjoys a democratic government. You liberals want to abandon Iraq in a panic to chaos and mass murder.

It's also obvious, like most lefties, you are ignorant of current events. Yes, they did find dozens, though not thousands, of WMD in Iraq. The insurgents used one, a binary artillery shell with about a gallon of sarin nerve agent in it, to ambush our troops. The Duelfer report revealed that a network of WMD labs would resume production immediately after the threat of inspections lifted. They found plans to ship sarin and ricin to Europe and the US in perfume bottles. Our invasion stopped that from happenning.

Iraq is tied to the Sep 11 attacks, though the degree of involvement is still unresolved. The Czech intelligence steadfastly maintains Atta met with the chief Iraqi intel agent at a restaurant in the suburbs of Prague. An Iragi government agent also facilitated and attended a meeting of Al Qaeda, including two Sep 11 skyjackers, in Kuala Lumpur. The relationship between Bin Laden and Saddam was published in Middle Eastern and Western papers BEFORE the Sep 11 attacks. The meetings between their respective representatives were public knowledge. You lefties wish to rewrite all this history.

All the photos in this blog are fact. I didn't make them up in the lab. They document what the Left is all about. That reality is apparently very embarassing for you, which is precisely the effect I wanted.

If you oppose slanted presentations, why do you support a peace march that makes not one mention of the violence wrought by the Baathists and jihadis in Iraq? Five teachers were lined up and shot in their classroom this last week by Baathists. Hundreds of Iraqi civilians have been randomly butchered by Wahhabi suicide bombs.

Your silence regarding the true evil-doers in Iraq demonstrates the emptiness of your moralistic pose. Your reflexive and unthinking criticism of America is implicit support for the mass murderers and head-cutters who oppose us. That makes your peace protest a joke and places you in bed with Evil.

Cordially,

Tantor

Thu Sep 29, 05:19:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Daniel,

I regret to inform you that there were indeed a lot of nice looking women at the protest. However, there are a lot of nice looking women hanging on the arms of abusive boyfriends and spouses.

Lefty politics appeals to the young and dumb. Many twenty-something chicks fall in this sad category. Also, it's much easier for them to stay skinnier than us because they do drugs.

Tantor

Thu Sep 29, 05:23:00 PM 2005  
Blogger The Conservative UAW Guy said...

Great post, great blog!
Thanks so much!!!

Thu Sep 29, 08:49:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Dark Helmet said...

I bow to the master...

Thu Sep 29, 10:46:00 PM 2005  
Blogger V the K said...

I was there and the normal people outweighed the freaks 20:1.

I guess the expression "normal people" depends on your frame of reference. If you consider the people who post at DU and DailyKos normal, then you find nothing abnormal about being surrounded by the kind of people in these photographs.

Fri Sep 30, 04:34:00 AM 2005  
Anonymous wardmama4 said...

You did a great job. I 'watched' the (muted) rally - because once you heard the first rant you'd heard it all. Never saw most of what you showed. My 17 yo daughter was amazed (and I think shocked) at the (non-US)flags & pro-Palestinian icons that were there. I believe she said, I thought that this was an anti-war (Iraq) rally! At least I know she's smarter than most of the people there.

Fri Sep 30, 06:59:00 AM 2005  
Blogger "The Professor" said...

Hi, I'm a friend of Michael Murphy's and was reading your post. It is most adorable. Keep up the good work.

Fri Sep 30, 08:25:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Barb said...

Isn't it great how all these 'peace-loving' twits line up with the SocialistAlternative twits? The same group was highly visible at the recruiting protest I observed in Seattle this May. So Sad.

Fri Sep 30, 01:17:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't see any shots of large crowds here, just boring, mostly out of focus snapshots taken with a cheap point and shoot.

Fri Sep 30, 05:27:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting that the one photo here that doesn't completely suck is the one of the woman selling the Socialist Worker.

Hint. That's because you were interested in her beyond simply making a cheap political crack. So the photo actually has a subject, instead of just half a sign or a shot of a protester from 35 feet away who's not looking at you.

Fri Sep 30, 05:43:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Greyhair said...

Well...

Please...

Allow me to retort:

http://greyhairsblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/pathological-liars_30.html

Fri Sep 30, 07:43:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Greyhair said...

and here:

http://greyhairsblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/overview.html

And about 10 other links.....

Fri Sep 30, 07:45:00 PM 2005  
Blogger MajorDad said...

We can never repay you for your bravery or the chuckles your photos and commentary brought during your time "behind the lines."

We who think things are going as well as can be expected AND don't care to see us "cut and run" salute you!

See you on the high ground!

MajorDad1984

Fri Sep 30, 09:04:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It always shocks me the amount of older people I see at these freak shows. I always think that this type of ignorance can only be attributed, or should be, to young people who don't know any better.

How pitiful.

Thanks for the play-by-play and the photos.

NJ"

It's no surprise to me that this type of ignorance would come from someone living in New Jersey. I can rightfully say that because I've lived here all my life and I can tesify that the above type of comments prove to be the norm rather than the exception. It ain't easy being a progressive living in New Jersey, believe me. It sucks pretty bad, actually. Especially because the political views of the people here (the few that actually think about such things) are generally based on pre-conceived opinions that may go back years. There is little to no thought put into political/social analysis here. It's pitiful.

-T

Fri Sep 30, 11:49:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I know, I know, she's a commie and commies are bad, well, worse than bad, pure evil."

Wow, what a sad statement. First off, I doubt she would consider herself a "commie" or "communist". You should hop into a time machine and travel back to the Cold War when everybody who disagreed with the American Empire was automatically labled a communist. You are a sad, pathetic waste of human life and you are a disgrace to Founding Fathers. Also, many of us are ANARCHISTS...not communists. Learn something for the first time in your worthless little life.

Fri Sep 30, 11:54:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stop killing Iraqis!

Stop building U.S. Bases on Iraqi Soil!

Let Peacemaker teams and Aid groups and Journalists Work in Iraq!

Give the Iraqi economy to the people of Iraq!

Find your courage and Impeach this president, throw out this criminal government!

Sat Oct 01, 12:01:00 AM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"ANSWER is a front organization for the Workers World Party (WWP), who are Stalinists."

This is the one and only statement on this sad site that I actually DO agree with. Yeah, ANSWER sucks...really bad. I've been to one meeting of their's (strangely enough, 1 week exactly before the inside job of September eleventh) and they were pretty awful. They are hypocritical, authoritarian (like you guys) and they attempt to claim the entire progressive movement as their own, which it is not. ANSWER and even UFPJ do NOT represent the progressive left of this country. If you really knew how they behaved, you might like them a lot more than you do now. In fact, you'd like them MUCH more than you'd like actual progresives. In the eyes of "leftist" revolutionaries in the U.S., ANSWER isn't much different from you pathetic people. Your disagreements are probably semantic and rhetorical for the most part but you act very much alike. lol

Sat Oct 01, 12:04:00 AM 2005  
Blogger devildog6771 said...

Finally, the real story! It makes me sick that the MSM will not print all the news and "censors" what they print and say to sway public opinion. Oh my God! Did I say censor? Isn't that a violation of the first amendment? No wait, the media "can't be censored" but they can censor! How paradoxical. They fight for the right they deny others, free expression based on "knowledge."

I would like your permission to use a copy of your flag draped cofin picture to put with an article. I want to write an article about why the Seattle pictures were so offensive to them but they never mentioned "this" in their coverage. As a veteran and as someone who lost a loved one in this war I consider that march of coffins deeply and personally offensive and beyond common decency!

My blog is :
http://helloiraq.blogspot.com.

Sat Oct 01, 12:53:00 AM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous: "I don't see any shots of large crowds here, just boring, mostly out of focus snapshots taken with a cheap point and shoot."

Look again. Virtually all the shots depict large crowds. And my Nikon D70 is very insulted that you called it a cheap point and shoot.

Another anonymous: "Interesting that the one photo here that doesn't completely suck is the one of the woman selling the Socialist Worker. Hint. That's because you were interested in her beyond simply making a cheap political crack. So the photo actually has a subject, instead of just half a sign or a shot of a protester from 35 feet away who's not looking at you."

Actually, most of my shots are taken from about a body length away. The crowd was too thick to take a photo from 35 feet away. And for a lefty to chastise me for making a cheap political crack is the pot calling the kettle black. Look at these photos. This rally was a festival of cheap shots. It looks like you guys can dish it out, but you can't take it.

Third Anonymous: "It's no surprise to me that this type of ignorance would come from someone living in New Jersey. I can rightfully say that because I've lived here all my life and I can tesify that the above type of comments prove to be the norm rather than the exception. It ain't easy being a progressive living in New Jersey, believe me. It sucks pretty bad, actually. Especially because the political views of the people here (the few that actually think about such things) are generally based on pre-conceived opinions that may go back years. There is little to no thought put into political/social analysis here. It's pitiful."

I would not call "progressive" potical views thinking, but rather a cult-like devotion to a completely discredited 140 year old Marxism, which has been repeatedly tried and repeatedly failed for well known reasons. It is about as intellectually sound as phrenology. It's not much different from UFO cults or fundamentalist religions except that when it comes into power it kills people by the tens of thousands. Socialism is a faith, capitalism is a science proven to work.

Fourth Anonymous: "Wow, what a sad statement. First off, I doubt she would consider herself a "commie" or "communist". You should hop into a time machine and travel back to the Cold War when everybody who disagreed with the American Empire was automatically labled a communist. You are a sad, pathetic waste of human life and you are a disgrace to Founding Fathers. Also, many of us are ANARCHISTS...not communists. Learn something for the first time in your worthless little life."

Touring the antiwar march was time machine enough for me, transporting me back into a time when communism was credible. And that's the problem with communism, anyone who disagrees with them is a sad, pathetic waste of life. So they killed them.

However, thanks for correcting me and pointing out that many of you were not communists, but anarchists. That makes everything better.

Fifth Anonymous: "Stop killing Iraqis! Stop building U.S. Bases on Iraqi Soil! Let Peacemaker teams and Aid groups and Journalists Work in Iraq! Give the Iraqi economy to the people of Iraq! Find your courage and Impeach this president, throw out this criminal government!"

You should address your plea to stop killing Iraqis to Zarqawi and the Baathists, not the US. Zarqawi purposely targets civilians, even crowds of children, with his suicide bombs. The Baathists target Iraqi police, teachers, politicians, et al in a policy of intimidation.

The US has no plans to build bases in Iraq. We plan to leave once a stable democracy is established. Zarqawi and the Baathists never intend to leave.

The US is no threat to journalist and aid groups. The jihadis are rather fond of cutting their heads off and leaving them eviscerated in the street. The so-called "peacemaker" groups are actually supporting the war on Iraqis by supporting the jihadis and Baathists. The US military is the true peacemaker in Iraq.

The US is giving the Iraqi economy back to the Iraqis, but the Baathists are sabotaging that by scaring people off the streets away from the shops, blowing up the electrical grid, and cutting the oil pipelines.

As for impeaching the president and throwing out the criminal government, you are one administration late.

Sixth Anonymous: "Yeah, ANSWER sucks...really bad. I've been to one meeting of their's (strangely enough, 1 week exactly before the inside job of September eleventh) and they were pretty awful. They are hypocritical, authoritarian (like you guys) and they attempt to claim the entire progressive movement as their own, which it is not. ANSWER and even UFPJ do NOT represent the progressive left of this country. If you really knew how they behaved, you might like them a lot more than you do now. In fact, you'd like them MUCH more than you'd like actual progresives. In the eyes of "leftist" revolutionaries in the U.S., ANSWER isn't much different from you pathetic people. Your disagreements are probably semantic and rhetorical for the most part but you act very much alike."

We agree that ANSWER is bad but disagree that they do not represent the entire Left. Quite clearly, that is exactly what they did at the anti-war rally last weekend. They have organized every anti-war rally in Washington and the Left has consented to follow them in every case.

If we right wing Republicans were authoritarian, there would not be a giant rally run by Stalinists marching by Bush's White House, protected by police in their exercise of free speech. If ANSWER were in charge, right wing marchers would be jailed or shot, as in all Stalinist dictatorships.

I already know how ANSWER acts. I've been roughed up by their goons in a previous "peace" march. I'm pretty sure I won't ever like them under any circumstances.

The difference between conservatives and the Stalinists of ANSWER are vast. ANSWER quite nakedly promotes a revolutionary overthrow of US democracy to set up a socialist government. There will never come a day when I sign up for that. Your contention that we are similar demonstrates considerable confusion about what we're both about.

***

As a general comment, I'd like to thank my liberal guests for dropping by. It takes a small amount of intellectual courage to entertain opposing views. Most liberals never summon up that courage. Congratulations for leaving your narrow little world for a wider view of the political universe.

Now, of course, I don't expect you to embrace the other side. However, I do note that none of you defended anything portrayed in any of my photos documenting the anti-war rally. It's a tacit admission that it's all indefensible.

What I do see is a series of rather lame attacks based on your embarassment of what passes for protest from the Left. The fact that you can be embarassed shows hope for you. That means you have some sense of decency left.

Tantor

Sat Oct 01, 05:36:00 AM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

devildog6771: "I would like your permission to use a copy of your flag draped cofin picture to put with an article."

Permission granted. I've got plenty more if you need 'em. Plenty more.

Please accept my condolences on the passing of your nephew, PO 2nd. Class Michael J. Gray.

Tantor

Sat Oct 01, 05:44:00 AM 2005  
Blogger Barb said...

Tantor - As others have said - Thanks for braving this day and the crowds to give us a report. Indeed, the rhetoric of th ugly signs proves that this is not stricly an anti-war protest, but mostly an anti-Bush protest, and incoherent to boot. Great reporting - I'll check back for more!

Sat Oct 01, 12:59:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Robert Enders said...

Regarding what you said about being able to carry a facist sign being proof that this is not a facist country:

If I had carried a sign in 1938 Rome saying that Italy was a facist country, the authorities would have agreed with me and probably allowed and even encouraged me to carry the sign. However, the word seems to have acquired slur status since then, so your point is valid.

Sat Oct 01, 03:03:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous C130 Aunt said...

Tantor,
After looking at all the photos, I'd say you showed considerable restraint from NOT knocking the Anti -USA crap out of some of these people.
Your blog is pure genius! Keep up the great work! Your investigation and infiltration of the lefty camps is highly commendable and your determination deserves accolades. I don't know how you stomached being along side them for that amount of time. The Anti-USA sentiment and rhetoric is disgusting. Your photos and report should be seen outside the blog world - like national TV.
Next stop Hannity and Coombs - FOX News. Libs watch that show because of Coombs although they probably wouldn't believe that the photos are real. Your photos should be on national TV and since the alphabets wouldn't dare, how about FOX - does anyone out there have connections?
Thank you also for covering the protests at Walter Reed Hospital (you are right, these wacks really care (sarcasm) about the troops. I thought it quite funny too when you questioned some of the protestors at WR about past and current world events and they didn't have a clue. Keep putting their lefty feet to the fire! Some folks just can't think for themselves and have to be shown the way.
Thanks again for a great read and insight to craziness. Your common sense and sense of humor are delightful as is your command of the English language. Nice work! - VERY nice work!
PS - C130 nephew deploys soon (4th time) supporting the mission in Iraq and freedom around the world.

Sat Oct 01, 05:55:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert Enders,

You are being very picky about my point and a stickler about presenting exceptions. However, I like picky sticklers, so I welcome your post.

You're quite right that fascism had a good reputation to some people in its day. After all, the Italians claimed that Mussolini made the trains run on time. As it happens, that was not true, but people believed it.

Likewise, many intelligent Americans thought communism was the coming thing back in the 1930s, before the awful slaughter was revealed in the Soviet Union. Old Ambassador Joe Kennedy thought Nazism would beat democracy.

However, reasonable people have been disabused of all these wrongheaded notions. We know exactly the evil destination where fascism will take us. Fascism deserves its bad name.

We also know what exactly fascism is and that it is not America, no matter how many politically illiterate lefty numbskulls claim it is, out of ignorance.

Tantor

Sun Oct 02, 11:02:00 AM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert Enders,

You are being very picky about my point and a stickler about presenting exceptions. However, I like picky sticklers, so I welcome your post.

You're quite right that fascism had a good reputation to some people in its day. After all, the Italians claimed that Mussolini made the trains run on time. As it happens, that was not true, but people believed it.

Likewise, many intelligent Americans thought communism was the coming thing back in the 1930s, before the awful slaughter was revealed in the Soviet Union. Old Ambassador Joe Kennedy thought Nazism would beat democracy.

However, reasonable people have been disabused of all these wrongheaded notions. We know exactly the evil destination where fascism will take us. Fascism deserves its bad name.

We also know what exactly fascism is and that it is not America, no matter how many politically illiterate lefty numbskulls claim it is, out of ignorance.

Tantor

Sun Oct 02, 11:02:00 AM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

C130 Aunt,

Thank you for your kind words. However, I beg to differ with you: I AM knocking the crap out of the anti-Americans by presenting the raw view of them, their arguments, their signs, and their actions to the blogoshere. I'm also doing my bit to discredit the liberal media, as well. I consider this week to be full of work well done.

Quite frankly, the crazier the lefties get, the more I like it and the easier it is to write it all up.

I'm pleased you like the blog. Be sure to give your C-130 nephew a big welcome home. Make his favorite meal. Round up his friends for a surprise party. And disappear when he hooks up with the girls.

Tantor

Sun Oct 02, 11:10:00 AM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your a very talented propagandist, really first class. Someday you might be able to replace Carl Rove!

But what your biting humor does not inform us of (not that your interested at all) is why so many people are opposed to a war based on lies. In fact the diversity of people and their motives for being there were wide ranging, but that simply does not suit your stereotypical radical nutcase motif.

In the end the right will have to destroy its own democracy to maintain control over those who dissent. So I propose a different solution. Lets just call it quits. You guys take Texas and the south or whoever else wants a nation dedicate to wars of adventure, no healthcare, as well as criminalizing any lifestyle you deem as deviant.

In the end it will all lead to enough civil strife to culminate in partition, an authoritarian state or revolution.

Which one will you pick?

Sun Oct 02, 04:57:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And you seem to be quite a devoted drinker of the liberal Kool Aid.

For example, your assertion that the war in Iraq was based on lies is itself The Big Lie. Everyone believed that Saddam had maintained his arsenal of WMD. Even Saddam's generals thought he still had it. As it turned out, we only found dozens of WMDs, not the thousands we expected.

The Duelfer Report revealed that a covert network of WMD labs remained, to be reactivated as soon as the inspection regime lifted. Plans were found to ship ricin and sarin to America and Western Europe in perfume bottles. The invasion stopped that from happenning. I note that rabid leftists such as you never address these documented facts.

The radical nutcase motif of the Washington anti-war rally was not of my doing. That was the character of the protest and ultimately of the Left. I documented it, to your great discomfort. It appears that you are so embarassed by the actual images of your comrades protesting that you are desperately trying to blame their madness on the opposition. When will you take responsibility for what your partisans do?

May I also point out the many protestors at this rally whose announced aim was to overthrow our democracy to establish a socialist revolutionary government? Again, instead of acknowledging this, you attribute it to your political opponents rather than your leftist comrades who are not shy about demanding the downfall of America.

I note that you defend none of the protestors portrayed accurately in this photo gallery, preferring instead to make wild accusations based on fiction. But then, dealing in facts like these photos and defending the positions of the protestors is pretty difficult, isn't it?

I might also point out that this protest reflexively supported authoritarian states and revolution, the kind of civil strife you imply you reject. Why the hipocricy?

When will you gain the honesty and courage to deal with the issues at hand instead of dealing in fiction and ham-handed rhetoric to distract from the deficiencies of your political position?

Cordially,

Tnator

Mon Oct 03, 11:49:00 AM 2005  
Anonymous Cousin said...

Hey, Cousin! Once again you manage to inform and entertain us with the reality of the liberal lefties.

Commie girl is pretty cute... Too bad that's the best thing you can say about that crowd :-)

Thanks again for a healthy dose of reality!

Cheers,

Cousin

Mon Oct 03, 12:49:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Barb said...

Anonymous said...
Your a very talented propagandist, really first class. Someday you might be able to replace Carl Rove!


FYI - it is Karl Rove ...

Mon Oct 03, 02:29:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks, Barb,

Gosh, how I hate it when the super-intelligent lefties misspell their insults.

Tantor

Mon Oct 03, 03:02:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Americans who hate America come together. Where did you learn to write and report for that matter? It seems to me that just as much as these "lefties" were spouting liberal propaganda you are doing the same by merely repeating that process with a conservative bent. Yes, the protestors were not united under one cause but that is the beauty of our country. Keep us all dividied, the "lefties" and the "conservative bigots". The "pro-life" and the "pro-chioce". Keep the public so confused that they can't understand a simple movement for peace, just peace.

Mon Oct 03, 03:30:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

The lefties are free to spout their propaganda and I am free to rebut it. Free speech is a bitch for you guys, isn't it? And you're hardly a model of unbiased comment when you label conservatives as bigots. What a foolish comment.

You are very mistaken that the anti-war march was for peace. It was primarily a Bush hate-fest, secondarily an anti-American screed. Pulling the troops out of Iraq would not bring peace but plunge that country into an anarchic violence fomented by Baathist mass-killers and Wahhabi headcutters. Such a "peace" movement is simple-minded and irresponsible.

It is not conservatives who are factionalizing liberals in their causes. That's the way they come. That incoherent organization is an expression of their incoherent mental processes. They don't need conservatives to confuse them. They do that all by themselves.

Tantor

Mon Oct 03, 04:47:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Rich Casebolt said...

Tantor:

What you've documented, despite the assertions of the left-leaning visitors here, is the same ol' 100,000 who show up at every anti-capitalism/anti-war/anti-American-way-of-life event.

They forget that, while they do have the right to say even the most idiotic of things in this nation, the rest of us have both the right and the responsibility to publically declare those things idiotic when the facts support that conclusion.

And, that's the difference between the protests of Left and Right ... they are not mirror images, for the Leftists do not look past surface appearances to objective truth; they instead look at appearances and draw conspiritorial conclusions based on their preconceptions.

When you get right down to it, the protesters and the left-leaning commenters here are so upset, because they believe that their birthright as the (allegedly) "best-and-brightest" is being unfairly challenged by the rabble. We are suppposed to be bowing to their "superior intellect" -- not challenging it ... however, that intellect is in fact a faith-based dogma whose believers make Jerry Fawell look like an agnostic, so when it is presented as fact, it needs to be challenged.

Until they question their own assumptions to the same degree that conservatives do (i.e. test them against common sense), they will always be credibility-impaired.

(This is a reason why many engineers like myself lean conservative, BTW -- we are used to seeing our ideas tested on a daily basis, and when they don't measure up, it means overtime or the unemployment line. These protesters, OTOH, don't have to face the feedback of consequence before spouting off ... in particular, the fact that both Saddam and OBL viewed us as a paper tiger, thanks to the efforts of the Left to keep America from acting decisively in the past.)

Leftists -- a few suggestions:

1> When you see polls that say many of our people oppose the way the President is conducting this war, understand that not all of those people automatically agree with your reasoning, or even parallel it ... many may wish a more aggressive war, while others may wish we could learn from our tactical errors faster, while still supporting the objectives of this conflict.

2> Same goes for your casualty estimates ... in particular, when you tout high casualty numbers as evidence we are in the wrong, consider who is actually pulling the trigger to create those casualties. In the majority of cases, it is NOT the US ... so why aren't you protesting the real killers?

3> Answer me this ... if all these corporations are so powerful, then how did guys like Sam Walton and Michael Dell come from nowhere (certainly from outside the good-ol'-boys club) and steal so many of these corporations' customers?

Until you can sort the above out ...

Your protests, my friends
Sound much like breaking wind
Your protests sound much like breaking wind

Mon Oct 03, 10:55:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Nicholas said...

Sorry to rain on your parade, hehehe.. sorry.. bad pun... but, as a computer programmer, I take exception to this statement:

"In two hours you can walk about 2.6 miles at 0.76 mile per hour"

At 0.76 miles per hour, you can walk 0.76 miles in one hour. You can walk twice as far in two hours. Which is 1.52 miles - not 2.6.

I think you were treating it as 0.76 hours per mile? That would give us the 2.6 figure you came up with.

This would reduce your estimate by about 40%.

Tue Oct 04, 09:55:00 AM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good catch, Nicholas. What an embarassing error. I have corrected my estimate down to 40,000. That is much closer to the unofficial police estimate of around 50,000.

Tantor

Tue Oct 04, 03:55:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Lyric Mezzo said...

I'm still reeling that someone actually marched with a banner that goes on about the 9/11 attacks being a secret US plot...

I recently read that some of these people are basing their case on the fact that the towers shouldn't have collapsed by the airplanes alone. They insist that it took an actual bomb to take the towers down.

Post 9/11 I worked for an engineering company. My boss (a former engineer) mentioned that he had been sitting around with a bunch of engineers (not former engineers, but actual real-life, working engineers) watching events unfold on television. He told me that every engineer in there was saying "those towers are going to come down." At the time I could only think how tragic that these engineers knew, even as firefighters were going in and not enough people were getting out.

Also, although I'm no explosives expert, I seem to recall that with a great explosion comes a big BOOM! If another detonation occured that actually brought the towers down, did anyone hear it? I mean, there was a huge WHOOSH as everything sort of slid down to the ground, but did anyone hear an explosion? Would something like that shake the ground? I have a friend who lived in OK City when the Federal building was bombed. She was many miles away - and when the explosion happened, her windows flexed and she fell off of her couch! Wouldn't such an explosion that was powerful enough to bring down both towers have much the same effect? Even if the military had somehow gotten the technology to make a "boom-proof" bomb big enough to take down both towers, I somehow doubt that they could get rid of the shockwave. I'm sure the ground rumbled quite a bit, but I would think that the shockwave from an explosion that big would be very recognizable...

Now, I'm not any kind of engineer, but I am working on a doctorate in music. I am used to looking at basic facts and analyzing them. However, the reasoning above seems pretty simple - you could probably pick it up from assorted action films.

Wed Oct 05, 02:09:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lyric,

It wasn't just one banner. I saw perhaps half a dozen different banners and big signs claiming that the US government perpetrated the Sep 11 attacks.

The people who claim the WTC was brought down by a controlled demolition are wrong and fools to boot. The mechanics of the collapse are well understood. The fire-proofing on the internal structure was incompletely applied, the collision knocked off most of the rest, and the fire weakened the steel structure enough for it to collapse. Once the structure at the impact floor collapsed, the remainder of the building above acted as a pile-drive to successively collapse each floor below.

There is no sound-proof explosive. An explosion is a very fast fire which produces rapidly expanding gases. Noise is part of the reaction. It can not be avoided.

Also, a controlled demolition takes weeks of work to set the explosives and to clear away everything around the support beams. This is not work that go on in secret in a building hosting tens of thousands of people, including legions of security officers.

What is bad is that leaders in the Middle East are quoting these crazy websites as proof that Arabs did not perpetrate Sep 11. There is an article in MEMRI quoting an Egyptian general on their TV telling how America actually brought the WTC down with controlled demolitions. He says he's not making it up, he saw it on the Internet, and cites the 911 conspiracy website to back up his claim.

Tantor

Wed Oct 05, 11:34:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Patrick Joubert Conlon said...

It's great that the comments went on for so long. What wonderful article, Tantor, and your responses to the comments have been most enjoyable too. I am going to link to you permanently.

Fri Oct 07, 05:46:00 PM 2005  
Blogger Tantor said...

Patrick,

Thank you for your support. I hope I can dig up enough crazy lefty crap to make your visits worthwhile.

Tantor

Sat Oct 08, 03:04:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous rightwingprof said...

"I was there and the normal people outweighed the freaks 20:1"

Normal people don't go to protest marches or play hippie, moonbat.

Sat Oct 08, 04:24:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Carlos Balaguer said...

Jane, You Ignorant Slut writing this blog: please read some history beyond your 6th grade undrestanding level. A People's History of the United States, Zinn, Chomsky, anything besides the official indoctrination that brainwashes you to believe your bombs and history of murdering in the last 200 years, but specially the latter half of the 20th century until today, do anything but fuel the profound disgust the word "yankee" ignites the world over. Do Cuba, Guatemala, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Chile, Timor, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iran, Libya, Panama, Somalia, the former Yugoslavia, Colombia, Afghanistan, IRAQ for the last 14 years, have any resonance in your pea-sized 'patriotic' american brain? You likely couldn't place half on the map,... blame it on the 'educational' system. Ignorance breeds ignorance and as long as your bombs are in 'some obscure corner of the world' who cares. I can assure you the WTC bombings are nothing compared to the war crimes committed by americans on foreign soil, or the permanent war your fascist leader is bringing on the american people with his state sponsored terror. Unfortunately, the rest of the globe is more attuned to this reality than the majority of americans who welcome more killings and abuse. The world unites in repudiating bush, at least some americans had the courage to protest the continuation of genocidal american policies of the past and present.

Mon Oct 17, 12:28:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Carlos,

Thanks for your classic example of the rage which the Unwashed Left substitutes for intellect. It's always amusing to see the shrill chimp-like fury with which lefties such as yourself treat competing ideas, part of your sterile embrace of rigid ideological conformity. It's difficult for you to see anyone deviate from your jackbooted ranks, isn't it, poor thing? While it's always amusing to hear lefties claim intellectual superiority, this rabid screed is hardly evidence of that, but rather proof of the opposite.

What lefties like you don't understand is that the more you pitch your rabid fits of rage, the more of a joke you make yourself and the better laugh you give me.

Cordially,

Tantor

Mon Oct 17, 01:24:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An excellent materialist analysis of the protest milieu...Bush lied...he started the war...the point had been made...in europe even worse...images of Stalin are now de rigeur

cordially,
Alex Search

Sun Dec 04, 01:41:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love this site! Ann Coulter should listen to every word you say.

More, more!

G

Mon Dec 05, 03:55:00 PM 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a Conservaliberepublicrat, and let me tell ya, it's the oooooooooooooooooonly way to fly man. Dig this homies, all this segragation and division into groups that fight over small issues among ourselves, things that don't matter, things that should be simple to resolve with simple and reasonable compromise. Red State, Blue State, "Liberal, Republican, Democrat, it's all there to control you"(from the movie Waking Life, highly recommended). This takes our anger we have with unruly social issues out on each other, to keep us fighting with OURSELVES rather than the people actually responsible for all of it. I emplore all that read this to PLEASE respect ALL types of life and especially those of our own community. No one on earth has a single complaint for no reason, this means we need to listen to each others knowledge as unbiasedly as possible. There are problems, there are solutions, and if we could just start listening... peace no longer has to be a dream.
Sincerly,
The Lefty Genius

Tue Feb 21, 07:23:00 PM 2006  
Anonymous Skye said...

Uh huh...why not spread the word where it would do the most good? Perhaps you could preach this message to the Hamas leadership? You could pitch your peace idea to the students enrolled in madrassas here in the US or take the message to the streets of Tehran!

......nah, didn't think so.



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I emplore all that read this to PLEASE respect ALL types of life and especially those of our own community. No one on earth has a single complaint for no reason, this means we need to listen to each others knowledge as unbiasedly as possible. There are problems, there are solutions, and if we could just start listening... peace no longer has to be a dream.

Mon Jun 05, 07:48:00 PM 2006  
Anonymous skye said...

I believe nudity is a beautiful thing.

However, the lesson to be learned from nude leftists is:

Nudity, like spandex, should be treated as a right; NOT a priviledge!

Ignoring this axiom will nothelpyour cause.


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As a concession to modesty, she had what looked like blue electrical tape over her nipples. I'm not sure what this was about, but I'm for it. This is one area where conservative protestors can learn a lot from liberal protestors.

Mon Jun 05, 08:22:00 PM 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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