Saturday, January 27, 2007

UFPJ March on Washington, Jan 27, 2007

Today's rally has been the first jumbo anti-war rally for fifteen months, since September 2005. 2006 was the year the anti-war movement did the Dead Bug, mainly because the peace groups were at war with each other.

Until now, Act Now to End War & End Racism (ANSWER) ran all the super-sized anti-war rallies and many of the mid-sized marches, too. ANSWER is a front group for the Stalinist Workers World Party ("Hands Off North Korea!"), which is a Trotskyite splinter group of the Socialist Workers Party. The ANSWER commies are control freaks who have the talent for organizing gargantuan rallies and the cash to pay for the permits, stages, generators, giant speakers, and port-a-johns. It probably cost about $50,000 to pitch a giant protest. ANSWER's sugar daddy is probably Kim Jung Il. ANSWER leaders fly to Pyongyang to hobnob with their comrades there and extoll the North Korean workers' paradise.



So the ANSWER goons would set the protest up and call on United For Peace and Justice (UFPJ) to provide the bodies for the rally, which they happily did. Lefties love protesting and they are none too picky about their targets. Whatever ya got, they're good to go to march against it. It's like a big party for them.



Unfortunately, commies being commies, ANSWER didn't deal with UFPJ in good faith: double-dealing them on this, shafting them on that, and reneging on the other. They also supported dictators that embarassed UFPJ, like Kim Jong-il, Fidel Castro, Slobodan Milosevic, Hezbollah, and the "resistance" in Afghanistan and Iraq. If you are a ratbag dictator, ANSWER is rooting for you. It's the kind of thing that gave Stalinism a bad name. Fingers were pointed, accusations made and hotly returned. The bad blood forced a divorce between ANSWER and UFPJ. Anti-war activity bogged down to a standstill. A quagmire, some might say. So 2006 passed quietly in the protest world with only the sound of crickets chirping.



UFPJ finally collected itself enough to organize its own jumbo rally, without ANSWER, on the National Mall on DC. President Bush's surge of 20,000 troops to Iraq provided the theme. The opposition to the war was expressed in socialist arguments such as "Who Profits From Carnage?" It's the tired old socialist canard that capitalist countries go to war to benefit the munitions companies. It dodges the real reasons we're in Iraq while providing a reason that appeals to the simple-minded. Emma's Revolution sang the kernel of the propaganda to the appreciative crowd: "Who lies? Who dies? Who profits?" These pinheads think this war is about American capitalist oppression, not defeating a dictator who was a danger to the world and reforming his country into a democracy.



I was shocked, shocked to discover that Bush was unpopular with the radical crowd. Well, actually, more than unpopular. Hated, really. Demonized, as you can see here. Note the button: "Is It Fascism Yet?" Lefties are fond of wailing that they are living in a fascist state, though, oddly, the American fascists never seem to actually mind their protests or send their minions to arrest them all. America must have the laziest fascist state in history to let these giant protests happen and not lift one oppressive finger to stop 'em.



Protest rallies can never have enough commies and drums. Lefties LOVE drums. Here a protestor beats on his bongo drum which accomplishes, well, nothing, except for perhaps a tingly feeling in his naughty parts. Maybe he thinks his profound bongo message will reach the President's ears and make him slap his head and say, "DAMN! I've been wrong all along. I shoulda listened to the drums more instead of you, Rove!"



This mope from the War Resisters Support Campaign helps US military guys desert to Canada where they have offices that lobby the Canadian government to provide sanctuary for them. It's probably not a hard sell to convince the Canucks to poke a finger in Uncle Sam's eye by giving deserters a safe place to smoke their dope and laugh at the guys who actually serve their commitment.



This sign sums up the attitude of the self-loathing lefties: "US Is The Problem, Not The Solution" They see America as the source of all evil. However, for Iraq, Saddam was the problem and America is the solution. A dictator like Saddam, who was ready to jail or kill anyone on a whim, is not likely to be overthrown by his terrorized subjects. Nor could Iraq expect any help from its neighbors. Arabs don't do liberation, only wars of conquest.

The lefty protestors reject all that. As one old man speaking from the stage croaked, "Our greatest enemy is not foreign, it's domestic!" He went on to chant "Hey, Hey, Uncle Sam; Do you remember Vietnam?" For the Left, Iraq is Vietnam, their last victory. The many differences between Vietnam and Iraq don't matter. They're stuck on Vietnam, which is to say, they're stuck on stupid.




Normally, Tantor observes anti-war marches with a detached amusement but the Truthers, who are a feature of the wacky Left, disturb the usual imperturbable Tantoric calm with their wacky rants that America attacked itself on Sep 11. Most of all, it sets the genial Tantor, Air Force veteran, off considerably when the Truthers claim the Air Force was part of a conspiracy to attack the United States. It's one thing to be a hammerhead, it's another to be a hammerhead conspiracy nut, and yet another to be a hammerhead conspiracy nut traitor.

I challenged one brain-damaged Truther, "You claim that the government laid demolition charges in both World Trade Centers for months and nobody noticed? And they synchronized those charges so that they would be set off at the exact floors where the jets hit?" The Truther smiled, looked me in the eye, and said, "Yeah." That's why Home Depot sells those big rubber mallets: to tune Truther skulls.

Another Truther disputed that an airliner hit the Pentagon. I told him I knew three people who saw the jet hit. There are thousands of witnesses. He scoffed and demanded to know how that jet could fly over the road next to the Pentagon at fifty feet, clipping lampposts, without blowing a single car off of it. I told him he didn't know what he was talking about. I've landed many times at Patrick AFB, just south of Cape Canaveral in Florida, where the end of the runway is just a few yards from the highway. Often, during rush hour, the highway will jam up with cars as you descend over them at fifty feet, fighter jet after fighter jet, to land. I've also been in a car on that road as the jets landed overhead. Cars are not blown off the highway. Not even close. The Truthers live in a cartoon world with cartoon physics where they see Wiley Coyote blowing the Road Runner off the road in his Acme Jumbo Jet. The Truther advantage is that they can lie faster than the rest of us can tell the truth.

Another Truther was offended when I said his conspiracy theory was stupid and he was stupid for believing it. He wasn't stupid, he roared. He was a DOUBLE major in business and international relations. "You're a stupid f*g college kid who doesn't know s* from shinola," replied the Tantor, sending him into an apoplectic rage. Sure, it's a bit harsh in this politically correct age when the conventional wisdom holds that everyone has the right not to be offended. However, I, the Tantor, believe it is not said enough nowadays nor with appropriate firmness. Idiocy flourishes when intelligent people say nothing and the Truthers are Sasquatch-hunting, UFO abductee, Grassy Knoll level Idiots.

Another whiny Truther told me to leave, that I was interfering with their free speech. A Tantoric lecture on the First Ammendment ensued in which I informed him that Truthers do not have a monopoly on free speech on the National Mall, that free speech doesn't mean only wacked out Truthers get to talk, and that as long as they are spouting their nonsense in public expect to have it vigorously debunked in the glorious tradition of free speech right here in public. The little fascist scurried away.

I was surprised to find the crowd behind me laughing in support during the conversation. Evidently, there are things so stupid that even liberals won't believe them. Whodathunkit?




The banner of the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade. I saw at least half a dozen different commie groups there. Anytime you got a big rally slamming America, count the commies in. They can't get enough of that.




This commie chick holding up the banner of the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade was shouting, "BUSH IS EVIL!" Let us take a moment here to meditate on that. First, you should not take foreign policy advice from anyone with purple hair and a pierced lip.

Second, Communism killed a hundred million people in the 20th century, yet its advocates bring their banners to an antiwar demonstration without challenge from the witless liberal herd. When it comes to evil, Communism is King. Whoever the commies are against, you probably should be for them. The irony of so-called "peace" marches like this is that they are full of commies toting their banners, handing out their literature, and denouncing Amerikkka. "Peace" marches supported by killer commies are festivals of Irony.



Bush Derangement Syndrome was displayed everywhere.



What time does the 1:00 PM march start? If you thought one o'clock, well, that's just crazy talk. Jesse Jackson was still bloviating to the crowd at 1 PM, doing his MLK impression. Of course, Dr. King actually read and thought while Jesse boasts that he never reads at all and nobody is accusing him of deep thinking. And King didn't make his living extorting money from corporations with bogus charges of racism, as Jackson does. Nevertheless, Jesse Jackson is a moral and intellectual leader to the anti-war crowd, who roared their approval.

The rally started at 1:47 PM, led by the police, the agents of the government the dopey protestors claim is imposing a fascist oppression on them. The police were so negligent in their fascist oppressor duties that not a single person was arrested in the entire demonstration. I don't know how we can look other fascist oppressors in the eye with this kind of dismal performance. We can only hang our heads in shame. Stalin is laughing at us from the grave.




Those crazy lefties were waterboarding each other every ten minutes on the northeast corner of Third Street NW and Constitution Avenue NW as the marchers shuffled by. This was the best idea of the whole day: lefties waterboarding themselves. I'm just hoping it will catch on, perhaps become a fad among the revolutionary set. This could be the new Twister for lefties.



The thin crowd trudged up two lanes of Constitution Avenue to the Capitol.



The protestors were met on the high ground of the Capitol by Freeper counter-protestors, just to remind America that the anti-war and anti-American protestors do not speak for everyone.




The Freepers noted the disinclination of the Left to pursue terrorists, notably Clinton's disinterest in pursuing the sponsor of the first attack on the World Trade Center, which only stored trouble up for the future. What the Left doesn't get is that such negligent pacifism provokes predators like Bin Laden and the Islamists.




A Freeper poses a provocative question: Where is the protest against violent jihad? Where indeed?

When Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were revealed as the perpetrators of the Sep 11 attacks, when the Wahhabi doctrine of jihad was revealed as the ideology, and when Saudi Arabia was revealed as the source of the $500,000 that paid for the attack, there were no angry protests by the Left against the people whose religious hate vaporized 2973 people in America. There were no protests against Afghanistan nor Saudi Arabia. The only protests the Left made were against any American military retaliation. They openly argued that Americans deserved to die. We had it coming.

There were no peace protests when Saddam violated UN resolutions seventeen times. There were no protests when Saddam attempted to assassinate ex-President Bush the elder with a car bomb in Kuwait. Nobody on the Left protested when Iraq fired hundreds of surface-to-air missiles at our jets patrolling the UN-mandated no-fly zone. And nobody, but nobody, on the Left protests the world-wide jihad propagated by Saudi Arabia.

I've been to all the big anti-war protests here and I have yet to see the name "Saddam" on a protest sign. You won't see these names either: Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, Saudi Arabia. I'll buy a hat and eat it if I ever see a protest sign in one of these marches that says "Down With Jihad!" However, I have seen plenty of signs calling for a revolution, for the overthrow of the US government. I've even seen a sign that called for the destruction of the United States.

The bottom line is that the protestors are not for peace. Obeying their calls to pull out of Iraq would not bring peace but leave the country to the Baathists and jihadis to do their head-cutting worst. They are not for peace; they are for the other side in this war. They want America to lose, just like in Vietnam, and the Iraqis be damned.



Joining the Freeper counter-protest was Army PFC Joshua Sparling, a wounded veteran of Iraq who was the subject of a flurry of publicity a year ago when he was recovering at Walter Reed and received a Christmas card from an unhinged lefty hoping he would die.



The anti-war marchers stopped to heckle the Freepers and Josh. Said one, "FUCK THE WAR LOVERS!"



Josh was there with his girlfriend. Cute, isn't she? Josh spoke his mind about the protest march:

"This march here? I think these are basically people that just don't really understand what's going on. These are what I like to call TV liberals. All they do is watch television and get all their information off of there. If they had any real world experience and actually could see what was going on. They're walking here because of people like me who fight for their freedom and the people that have sacrificed their lives are the real heroes.

If they were in Iraq right now they would be wishing that they could have somebody come in and save them so they could have the same freedoms that we do. They really don't understand that. That's the whole reason I joined because of my nephews and nieces who I loved to grow up in freedom. They can do whatever they want. They can be whatever they want. People in Iraq are taken from their homes. They're captured if they don't agree with their dictatorship. All I'm saying is they're people, too and they deserve the same rights that we as Americans deserve.

They say fighting doesn't solve anything but we would not be here unless the Revolutionary war happenned, World War I, World War II. We'd be speaking German right now. It needs the soldiers They don't understand. They're ignorant and ignorance is bliss, they say. They're caught up in their cause and that's all they see. They're blind."




"My story is not too much. I am a regular infantryman. I was over there [Iraq] patrolling the streets. We were taking some cover from some fire and I was looking for a position to defend against and on the way I saw a little hole in the ground with an IED and I warned my troops to get back, back away as fast as possible. They knew they couldn't get a bunch of us. There was a trigger man hiding there in the field. They'd rather get somebody than nobody so he blew me up. That's my story. I'm here a year later. I got amputated a year after my injury and now I'm just recovering, getting better so I can get back out there.

If you want to support the soldiers, you need to support the war because we're all volunteers."



Meanwhile, back in the march, a close look at a foot soldier marching for the anti-war Left. Stoned or sober? You be the judge.




The march rolled on past the Russell Senate Office Building.




"Abort Our Troops" An expression of hatred for the military. It's their way of supporting the troops.




Code Pink confuses foreign policy with their sex lives. It's almost a maxim of the Left that anything worth saying is worth saying in a vulgar way. These are silly people.




The giant puppets were back, the strongest arguments the anti-war crowd can muster. This may be the devil god they worship.



To the hammerheads of the Left, Bush and America are the real threat to world peace, not Bin Laden nor Al Qaeda nor Saddam. It's as if the more vile the enemies of America become, the more the Left blames America. These guys were in front of the Supreme Court.




The Australians have a phrase for anything especially foolish, which they call "nonsense on stilts." Those Aussies have a point. Stilts were the "in" thing at this rally, with perhaps a dozen lefties perched on them. The lefties would rather learn circus tricks than think.



More commies, finishing up the march.



OK, there were a few protest babes. I can not help but notice. I am only flesh and blood, you know. And easily distracted by feminine charms. Where was I?



Insert Brain Here. One of the lefty geniuses who think they're smarter than the Right. This is why you shouldn't do drugs.



And the sun sets on another day of anti-war protesting, a protest pitched by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

UFPJ claims that 500,000 people showed up for their rally. Let's examine that, shall we? The march started at 1:47 PM on a route 1.7 miles long. I'll be generous and say that took an hour to walk, though the marchers probably were slower than that. So let's say the vanguard of the march reached the end at 2:47 PM. The last big chunks of marchers reached the end of the route around 4:15 PM, with some stragglers after that. So that's an hour and a half of marchers walking at about 1.5 mph. 1.5 hours times 1.5 mph gives a body of marchers 2.25 miles long. That means the first marchers arrived at the end before the last marchers left the beginning.

Constitution Avenue was restricted to two lanes. A lane of traffice is 11 feet across so two lanes are 22 feet multiplied by 5280 feet in a mile is 116,160 square feet in a two lane mile of road. People were spread out over most of the climb up Capitol Hill, but let's assume they were packed tight, one person per 3 foot by 3 foot square or 9 sq ft/person. 116,160 sq ft divided by 9 sq ft/person gives you 12,907 people per two lane mile. 12,907 people/mile times 2.25 miles equals 29,041 people, the absolute maximum number of marchers.

Now the march was not packed that tight, so 29,041 is a high figure. However, let's assume that a good fraction of the people who came to the rally sat out the march. Let's call the resting protestors to be as much as a third of the marching protestors. Had that third been marching, they would have packed those two lanes tight to reach that nine square foot per person density. So I estimate that the total number of the protest crowd was 30,000.

The UFPJ inflated the number of protestors, as usual, by sixteen times to reach their wacky 500,000 figure. A march of 500,000 people would fill a two lane road up for 38.7 miles and would take 26 hours to march by at 1.5 mph. In other words, such a march that departed at 2 PM Saturday would have marched all day and through the night into the next day to finish late afternoon of Sunday. The half a million UFPJ figure is not just a lie, not just a bad lie, but a whopping big clumsy lie badly told and easily undone by simple math, the bane of liberals everywhere.

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If you enjoyed this post, I invite you to view my post covering the September 2005 march which was bigger, freakier, and more unhinged than this rally.

37 Comments:

Anonymous thefaraway said...

You're right on target about the commies at these "peace" rallies, Tantor. This is one of THE unreported stories these days, i.e. that the hammer 'n sickle is behind the big dopey effigies and lame slogans. That emcee on the Jan. 27th rally works for the CPUSA, so can anyone explain why U.S. Congressmen and women are given a pass when they speak at events organized by Communist-aligned groups???

Sun Jan 28, 03:46:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Buck Pennington said...

Nice pics. Thanks for taking the time to post them.

Mon Jan 29, 11:05:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Albion Wilde said...

This is an outstanding, comprehensive report, something neither the Washington Post nor the Baltimore Sun bothered to publish; they only saw the old hippies — and saluted.

And as usual, your writing is brilliant. There's an hilarious one-liner in just about every paragraph.

Great job, mighty Tantor!

Mon Jan 29, 12:51:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was in DC this past weekend visiting my daughter. We went downtown into DC to checkout the office where her boyfriend works. It is very close to the Capital. We waded thru the protestors near the Supreme Court Building. The one thing that struck me was the absense of a single American flag in the protest mob. NOT ONE.

Mon Jan 29, 01:29:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If these guys have their way, this would be the dawn of Kristallnacht for Iraq.

Mon Jan 29, 02:14:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous GunnNutt said...

Awesome pics and post, as usual!!! Thanks Tantor.

Mon Jan 29, 02:36:00 PM 2007  
Blogger David M said...

Trackbacked by The Thunder Run - Web Reconnaissance for 01/29/2007
A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention.

Mon Jan 29, 02:50:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous jeremayakovka said...

That's some kick-ass coverage. You're like the DC-bureau for Zombietime!

Mon Jan 29, 03:54:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Navy Guy said...

My son got heckled in his (liberal blue state) junior high class today. I send him this post to cheer him up. Great work

Mon Jan 29, 05:42:00 PM 2007  
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Mon Jan 29, 10:01:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous dkr-Dallas TX said...

What a job. Wish I could have been their to throw some barbs at the pinko commie pigs. (Thank You Archie Bunker.)
On the plus side, I bet you could buy some good pot there!

Mon Jan 29, 11:28:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Cynthia said...

"ANSWER goons"
"These pinheads think"
"by giving deserters a safe place to smoke their dope"
"they're stuck on stupid."
"The Truthers live in a cartoon world with cartoon physics where they see Wiley Coyote blowing the Road Runner off the road in his Acme Jumbo Jet. The Truther advantage is that they can lie faster than the rest of us can tell the truth."
"Another whiny Truther"
"First, you should not take foreign policy advice from anyone with purple hair and a pierced lip."
"Stoned or sober? You be the judge."
"This is why you shouldn't do drugs."

Okay these are a few things I found in your writing that threw up a red flag. Lets go through a few of them, shall we?

"by giving deserters a safe place to smoke their dope" I do not agree that anyone should abandon our military. Its wrong. But, how do you know that they are leaving to smoke pot? Maybe they just cannot take the stress, or they are scared. This is no excuse for doing so, but, labeling every deserter is as bad as them labeling our troops who stay. Everyone does things for different reasons.

"First, you should not take foreign policy advice from anyone with purple hair and a pierced lip." This sentence is the reason I decided to even leave a comment. Who are you to say that? Just because somebody looks different than yourself, does not mean they aren't as intelligent as you. It reminds me of something Hitler would say about the Jews.

All the other quotes are of you, bashing people with a different opinion.

I am against having wars. But yet, I understand that they cannot be avoided, and that we need to be in Iraq right now. We are helping people who cannot help themselves, and I admire the many troops that are giving their lives to this cause. But your writing is the wrong way of going about showing your support. They are biased, and so are you.

Nest time you decide to write something, possibly try giving all the correct information without degrading others. People listen to well written papers, like yours, but more people will understand whats going on if the person writing it is not just writing it to degrade others.

Tue Jan 30, 06:29:00 AM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Thank you all for the nice comments. I'm glad you enjoyed the pix. Anti-war marches are the funnest thing in Washington and my guilty pleasure. It's like the circus train pulled up to the Mall and set loose ten thousand monkeys.

Tue Jan 30, 11:19:00 AM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Cynthia: "Okay these are a few things I found in your writing that threw up a red flag. Lets go through a few of them, shall we?

I welcome opposing opinion, Cynthia, and am flattered you found my post compelling enough to be moved to rebut it.

Cynthia: ""by giving deserters a safe place to smoke their dope" I do not agree that anyone should abandon our military. Its wrong. But, how do you know that they are leaving to smoke pot? Maybe they just cannot take the stress, or they are scared. This is no excuse for doing so, but, labeling every deserter is as bad as them labeling our troops who stay. Everyone does things for different reasons."

It's hardly a stretch to portray US military deserters smoking pot in Canada. It was so common during Vietnam that it's rather an iconic image of draft deserters. Deserting is a major step. If they can't take the military, they can simply wash out or tell their commander that they're gay. Either way is an easy out. Most deserters in Canada make a point of condemning America, which positions them as traitors rather than as guys who couldn't take it. When they reneg on their commitment, it makes deserters in Canada a legitimate target for ridicule.

Cynthia: ""First, you should not take foreign policy advice from anyone with purple hair and a pierced lip." This sentence is the reason I decided to even leave a comment. Who are you to say that? Just because somebody looks different than yourself, does not mean they aren't as intelligent as you. It reminds me of something Hitler would say about the Jews."

I might point out that this chick was holding up a banner for a Communist revolutionary group. In other words, she is promoting an ideology that has killed a hundre million people. You are considerably mixed up to say that anyone who opposes such a commie is as evil as Hitler. It's quite the opposite.

The fact that this young commie chick has dyed her hair purple and pierced her lip and god knows what else tends to confirm that here is a person who has made a lot of bad choices in her life and has no intention of making any good choices soon.

I can safely say that I have yet to meet a person with purple hair and pierced lips who is very intelligent, though I admit it is possible in theory. More often, purple hair and piercings are features of frivolous and stupid people of shallow intellect who want attention. In the normal course of events, I'd not give them any notice. However, when they are advocating murderous communism, I am happy to rain ridicule on their purple heads.

Cynthia: "All the other quotes are of you, bashing people with a different opinion."

Cynthia, you might notice that the thirty thousand protestors at this rally were all about bashing people with a different opinion. Turnabout is fair play. I think my bashing is far more light-hearted than theirs, which is decidedly mean-spirited. I wonder why you let them off the hook?

Cynthia: "I am against having wars. But yet, I understand that they cannot be avoided, and that we need to be in Iraq right now. We are helping people who cannot help themselves, and I admire the many troops that are giving their lives to this cause. But your writing is the wrong way of going about showing your support. They are biased, and so are you."

We agree about the necessity for war at times. I freely admit my bias in favor of America, Bush, the military, and conservatism. Such opinions from the Right have every right to be publicly made as the opinions of the Left.

Cynthia: "Nest time you decide to write something, possibly try giving all the correct information without degrading others. People listen to well written papers, like yours, but more people will understand whats going on if the person writing it is not just writing it to degrade others."

Thank you for the compliment that my post was well written. However, these anti-American protestors richly deserve the ridicule I shower upon them. While facts and logic give arguments weight, ridicule gives them a sharp edge. Both are needed to discredit a political demonstration which ultimately serves evil.

Thanks for writing, Cynthia.

Tue Jan 30, 11:56:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I can safely say that I have yet to meet a person with purple hair and pierced lips who is very intelligent, though I admit it is possible in theory. More often, purple hair and piercings are features of frivolous and stupid people of shallow intellect who want attention. In the normal course of events, I'd not give them any notice. However, when they are advocating murderous communism, I am happy to rain ridicule on their purple heads."

The statement above basically shows your arrogance towards another person's being. Who cares what someone looks like, it really doesnt matter. Even if the person was running around in just body paint, it doesnt mean that they are not intelligent, you are just one of the many arrogant people who classify people into "clicks" and discriminate against them. Its rather sad that people in the US speak this way, but its the common person these days that do. Im proud not to be racist, bais, and arrogant towards other people and the way they choose to look, dress, or act.

I think that you just try to point out something about someone else and attempt to judge and ridicule them, so as to trick yourself into believing that you are correct in your opinion, and you want to feel good about yourself because you like to prove other people wrong.

You can say that I am trying to judge you right now, but in actuality, im just potraying what you are making yourself out to look like. So take it as you like.

Just remember, dont get mad or upset because you didnt get the response that you wanted. If you make such an important subject as such, then you better prepare for constant criticism.

~Decre~

Tue Jan 30, 02:54:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Cynthia said...

Okay, I'm not going to get into the purple hair and piercings thing with you, because quite frankly, I don't feel like arguing. All I have to say about it is, I have many illteligent friends with piercings.

I am not in anyway letting them off the hook, I think that they have their "right" to protest, although I do not agree with it. They say hateful and rude things as much as you do, and I have made my statements to them. I would just like a piece of writing that doesn't bash one or the other, and tells me REAL information, without being hateful. I agree with you on most everything you said, I just think it would have possibly been a better read, without the hateful comments. Thank you for replying to me though.

Tue Jan 30, 03:03:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Tantor: "I can safely say that I have yet to meet a person with purple hair and pierced lips who is very intelligent, though I admit it is possible in theory. More often, purple hair and piercings are features of frivolous and stupid people of shallow intellect who want attention. In the normal course of events, I'd not give them any notice. However, when they are advocating murderous communism, I am happy to rain ridicule on their purple heads."

Decre: "The statement above basically shows your arrogance towards another person's being. Who cares what someone looks like, it really doesnt matter. Even if the person was running around in just body paint, it doesnt mean that they are not intelligent, you are just one of the many arrogant people who classify people into "clicks" and discriminate against them. Its rather sad that people in the US speak this way, but its the common person these days that do."

I'd say that if somebody were running around in just body paint in public, they're probably none too smart. How people present themselves communicates a message. If you walk around wearing a Nazi uniform shouting "Heil Hilter," that most certainly means you are a hateful knucklehead deserving of ridicule. If you walk around with purple hair and pierced lip toting a banner calling for a communist revolution, that most certainly means you are a hateful knucklehead deserving of ridicule. You are entirely correct that I do discriminate against Nazis, Communists, and other hateful people. It's the right thing to do.

Decre: "Im proud not to be racist, bais, and arrogant towards other people and the way they choose to look, dress, or act."

Racism has nothing to do with this. You're just race-baiting. You certainly do have a bias against people like me who disagree with your beliefs and are yourself being arrogant in condemning the way I'm acting. Your argument would be more convincing if you did not commit the very sins of self righteousness you decry.

Decre: "I think that you just try to point out something about someone else and attempt to judge and ridicule them, so as to trick yourself into believing that you are correct in your opinion, and you want to feel good about yourself because you like to prove other people wrong."

It's not hard to prove Communists wrong and it's the right thing to do. They certainly deserve ridicule for promoting such a failed and hateful ideology. Yes, I do feel pretty good about ridiculing commies and proving them wrong. You're quite right about that.

Decre: "If you make such an important subject as such, then you better prepare for constant criticism."

Constant criticism is assured when you are conservative. I received my first taste of it when lefties would curse and insult me when I wore my uniform out in public places in the 1970s. Now, it's really quite fun to dish it back.

Thanks for writing, Decre. You gave it your best shot.

Tue Jan 30, 05:37:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tantor your comments were just as good as your posting.
Way to shoot 'em down!

Tue Jan 30, 06:49:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Mary*Ann said...

Thanks for the great post...and great smackdown! Funny though, when we are called infidels, pigs, monkeys, and satan...they don't realize they are included in that..purple hair and all.

Tue Jan 30, 11:02:00 PM 2007  
Blogger prying1 said...

Thanks Tantor. - Your posting filled in all the blank spaces in my life that resulted from my missing the protest. -

Well. Maybe I didn't really 'miss' it. With my smart mouth I probably would have gotten into some fisticuffs with the jerks.

The pics were very good. Appreciate the time you took to post them.

I loved this part of Decre's comment:
I think that you just try to point out something about someone else and attempt to judge and ridicule them, so as to trick yourself into believing that you are correct in your opinion, and you want to feel good about yourself because you like to prove other people wrong.

Hey! WOW! THAT'S IT!!! That has been my problem all along. Now I don't need to visit my shrink anymore. Think of the money I'll save. I'm cured!
- Thanks Decre -

Wed Jan 31, 08:31:00 AM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Prying1,

If you have never been to a big anti-war protest, I absolutely recommend it. First, there is the pure fun of seeing the Big Lefty Log turned over and all the little lefty critters crawl out. These protestors will give you a belly laugh like you've never had. Second, these folks don't hide their hate of America once they gather with like-minded comrades. You get a view deep into the dark heart of the Left, unlike the polite, processed view you might get through the media or in normal society. Third, it's really very important to witness that hate in action. Until you've stood in a Bush-hating crowd screaming at the White House in a rage, you just won't fully understand the feral hate of the Left. It can not be conveyed by television. You must be there.

Wed Jan 31, 11:37:00 AM 2007  
Blogger Egypeter said...

Hey tantor - I'm not sure if you recognize me but I catch your comments over at our buddy Big Pharaoh's blog.

In short, I'm a Copt born and raised in Chicago. And it is such a breath of fresh air to see someone who has a clue on what's going on. You obviously know what you're talking and I really respect your opinion. That's all.

Peace

Wed Jan 31, 11:16:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Outstanding article Tantor. We need more people like you at each of these protests. I particularly enjoyed the parts where you mathematically proved false the claim of 500,000 people and the toe to toe argument with the idiot 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Keep it up!

Fri Feb 02, 07:37:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Egypeter,

Of course, I recognize you. How many Egypeters are running around the blogosphere? Not many. In fact, you're it.

Welcome to Conservative Propaganda. Feel free to ask for a doggie bag when you leave so you can take some home. I certainly hope you come back and give the Copt view on a post when needed.

Sat Feb 03, 06:22:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous reno said...

This is one of the funniest blog sites on the web.. I guess being a big John bircher goes with the territory.. A commie behind every tree is their mantra..

Sun Feb 04, 10:33:00 AM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Reno,

Thanks for the compliment, though I must confess I don't have to work too hard to be funny when the protestors hand me this kind of comedy gold.

The large commie participation in these big demonstrations comes as a surprise to most people. However, many of UFPJ's member organizations are communist/socialist. If you attend these marches, you will see commie organizations pass by toting banners that flatly identify them as communists or international socialists or Marxists. It doesn't take a John Bircher to see the obvious.

I think the reason why this is so surprising to people who have not seen a march in person is that the media sanitize all the embarassing elements in their coverage so as to avoid undermining the credibility of the anti-war movement, which they support. You'll only see a wholesome version on TV and in the papers, a version which differs from reality.

Sun Feb 04, 03:48:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous reno said...

The large commie participation in these big demonstrations comes as a surprise to most people.

What large commie participation?? A couple of pictures doesn't prove anything is a "large commie participation" IT proves nothing at all.. But isn't it great that this country would allow commie's and fascist to march at the same rally?? Hell, even you Birchers are allowed their to cheer on the FREEPTARDS!! Hell I wish I was there instead of attending the rally in Des Moines or otherwise I would have had a good laugh at your expense!!

Large commie participation my ass!!

Sun Feb 04, 08:19:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

There were at least half a dozen commie, socialist, and Marxist groups in the march, all of them carrying banners identifying themselves, as there are in every anti-war march in DC. Take a look at the post for the last march, which shows more photos of the usual groups who march every time. I don't show every photo I took of every commie group I saw because it's boring to hit the same nail over and over. You see only a representative sample.

Had you actually attended anti-war marches in DC for the last few years, you would know that this is the first big one that was not directly organized by commies. Up until now, all such demonstrations were organized by the Stalinists of ANSWER, a front organization for the Worker's World Party. UFPJ, which organized this march without ANSWER, is not itself a commie group but contains many commie organizations.

You can go to UFPJ's page and see for yourself who they list as members: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?list=type&type=27

Among them you will find Code Pink (Marxist), Communist Party of the USA, Commitees of Correspondence for Democracy & Socialism, Democratic Socialists of America, Freedom Road Socialist Organization, Freedom Socialist Party, International Socialist Organization (ISO), League of Revolutionaries for a New America, Left Turn, Not in Our Name (NION) (Marxist), Socialist Alternative, and the Socialist Party USA.

The fact is I was there and documented it with photos, while you were not and speak from ignorance about the event.

Sun Feb 04, 10:39:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous reno said...

The fact is I was there and documented it with photos, while you were not and speak from ignorance about the event.

Damn Birchers are everywhere!! I have to laugh at you too as you see way too many commies in your dreams..

Are you afraid of commies and other groups of that stature?? Are you mearly just a throw back to the red-baiting McCarthy era?? This is all too funny!! Thanks for the pics though, I'll pass them around. Other sane, intelligent people need a good laugh..

Sun Feb 04, 10:45:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

UFPJ, the organizer of the march, lists all the communist, socialist, and Marxist members which compose it, as listed above. Are they John Birchers trying to pin the commie label on themselves?

Yes, I have no affection, as you apparently do, for commies whose ideology has killed one hundred million people. I'd be interested to hear what about them inspires your affection.

McCarthy falsely accused people of being communist. UFPJ freely lists its communist members. My photos document people who openly identify themselves as communist. Apparently, documenting what the commies themselves freely admit really gets under your skin, doesn't it?

Sun Feb 04, 11:55:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous reno said...

Yes, I have no affection, as you apparently do, for commies whose ideology has killed one hundred million people. I'd be interested to hear what about them inspires your affection.

Yet by the same token, how many millions have killed in the name of capitalism over the past decade?? I suspect an equal number for sure..

And while I no affection for commies or the likes, I do no fear them in these United States.. In fact, I welcome them as a demonstration of a freedom loving country that allows them to march anywhere they please.. Just I welcome the freepers to march with the Birchers..

Apparently, documenting what the commies themselves freely admit really gets under your skin, doesn't it?

Actually, your documentation of their numbers is what concerns me. Its your feable attempts to paint a broader bush of the people participating in these rally's that a concern.. A large commie participation is a misnomer at at best or just more "conservative propaganda".. And we all know what propaganda means..

Mon Feb 05, 10:35:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous reno said...

Another march is coming to commemorate the 4th anniversary of the Iraq War and the 40th anniversary of the historic march on the Pentagon against the Vietnam War.

This will be another great occasion..

Thu Feb 08, 01:37:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Tom said...

Sorry I'm a bit late to the party here, Tantor, but great write-up and pics.

I was with the Freepers at the counter-protest. It was good to see you come by.

Nice interview with Joshua, too. I was there when that idiot leftie spit on him and said all those hateful things. Actually there were many hateful lefties who insulted him and the other Iraq war vets who were with us that day.

The march that I think Reno is referring to is the one March 17 which will be sponsored by ANSWER.

Now, reno, Tantor is right when he says that ANSWER is a front group for the out-and-out communist Workers World Party. So by definition everyone marching with them March 17 will either be a communist, a communist sympathizer,or a useful idiot.

"how many millions have killed in the name of capitalism over the past decade?? I suspect an equal number for sure."

Documentation and examples please. Accoding to the "Black Book of Communism"(google will find it for you) some 94 million were killed in the name of communism.

And what does "in the name of capitalism" even mean? Did we fight WWII "in the name of capitalism"?

Sat Feb 10, 03:13:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was at this march, and this report is bogus. There were hundreds of thousands of marchers, and the majority of them were ordinary citizens: the elderly, families with small children, students, church organizations. Too bad the blogger couldn't discuss the issues intelligently but could only employ junior high insults and foolishness to attempt to ridicule the marchers. Pathetic.

Sun Feb 18, 11:53:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Does that mean that all those photos I took of the marchers acting like fools were bogus, too? The protestors framed their argument in sophomoric terms, making themselves ripe for ridicule. They simply weren't serious people. They do not present intelligent arguments to rebut. The Truthers are proof of that.

The idea that there were hundreds of thousands of people at this protest is pure nonsense and is rebutted by simple arithmetic. You can not move hundreds of thousands of marchers through the parade route in three hours even at a sprint. Such numbers would need to march through the night, which didn't happen. Such exaggeration of numbers demonstrates the dishonesty of the protestors.

Mon Feb 19, 08:36:00 AM 2007  
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