Vietnam Vets Face Down The Moonbats
The malice and dishonesty of ANSWER begins with its poster. The Pentagon gear is driven by the Dollar gear, implying that the war in Iraq is driven by capitalism and the pursuit of profits. Unfortunately for that argument, the war in Iraq is a money-loser, costing more than $379 billion to date. As Sun Tzu stated 2500 years ago, no nation profits from a prolonged war. It's about the freedom, stupid. If you think war is expensive, try appeasement. Ask Neville Chamberlain how expensive that was.
The poster shows men, women, and children being tossed into the teeth of those evil Pentagon & Capitalism gears. ANSWER ignores the unpleasant fact that it was precisely the Pentagon that stopped Saddam from throwing innocent people into the plastic shredder, turning them into fish food, to maintain his reign of terror. ANSWER has never made posters condemning Saddam for feeding real people into real shredding machines. I have been to all the big anti-war marches here and I have yet to see Saddam mentioned on a protest sign. The protestors whitewash his crimes, consigning them to the memory hole. Saddam is the third rail of these anti-war protests. Mentioning him would kill the protest dead. So they don't. They prefer to ignore Saddam's real crimes while hyping Bush's imaginary ones.
The greatest irony of this "peace" march is that it was led by ANSWER Communists who promote an ideology which killed a hundred million people in the last century. If you're looking for peace, the commies will take you anywhere but there. How did the most murderous ideology in history come to lead the "peace" movement? Ignorance, that's how. Most of the clueless mopes who show up to protest have no idea who is organizing their protest party and don't care. They don't know that ANSWER is a front group for the Stalinist Worker's World Party who supports the most murderous dirtbag dictators in the world. ANSWER uses the anti-war movement as a pretext for luring a crew of useful idiots to man demonstrations to batter America, the true target of the sinister organizers of the radical Left.
If the clueless lefties really wanted peace, the first step is to visualize a peace march that is NOT led by the most murderous ideology in human history.
While the unwitting dopes of the Left flesh out ANSWER's demonstrations, the witting accomplices of ANSWER are the mainstream media, who turn a blind eye to ANSWER's Communist affiliations and leave the general public in the dark by maliciously neglecting to report on them for fear that revealing their true character would undermine the anti-war movement they support. That's how the mainstream media, which fancies itself a spokesman for the people and a watchdog of government, violates the public trust.
What ANSWER did not expect is that their choice of venue would inspire popular outrage, particularly from Vietnam vets. During the last jumbo anti-war movement in January, anarchists rushed the Capitol steps and spray-painted their nonsense on them. The police retreated from the onrushing Black Bloc mob, who perpetrated their vandalism hidden in the press of the crowd and then went on to smash the windows of a military recruiting center downtown. The police did not intervene in that incident, either. Nobody was arrested.
It did not take a crystal ball to predict what could happen if you parked thousands of radicals with utter contempt for the military next to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, veterans which the moderate liberals regard as something akin to the rampaging hordes of Genghis Khan and the far leftists regard as baby-killers. Somebody in that mob would have done something stupid to express their contempt for the Vietnam war and the people who fought it. If the police would not stop them from vandalizing war memorials, there were plenty of vets who would.
That's how the Gathering of Eagles was born. The threat against the Wall was the break in the dam holding back a great lake of resentment against the anti-war radicals who so freely slandered the military with hardly any opposition. Protesting is alien to military people and the Right in general, who find it distasteful to demand other people do for them. Conservative types get up off their butts and do it themselves. However, the fear that the war in Iraq could be lost on the home front, just like Vietnam, filled vets with fury that it could happen again. They had to put a stop to that.
Note the "I" on the armband. This is meant to be the first big counter-protest of more to come.
Rolling Thunder, a veterans group who promotes MIA-POW issues, was the most noticeable contingent of vets in their motorcycle vests.
They had a rather fierce attitude on certain issues, born of grim experience.
Real Americans love the US flag.
And Jane's not fonda vets.
Point No. 2 of the Gathering of Eagles Mission Statement says, "We are a non-violent, non-confrontational group. We look to defend, not attack. Our focus is guarding our memorials and their grounds."
The GOE meant what it said and pulled it off, but I can't honestly say that deep down in the vet's hearts they didn't want to kick some hippy protestor ass, not that there's anything wrong with that. However, they were mature enough to chuckle at their own fantasy and limit their ass-kicking to sharp rhetoric, presenting themselves to the protestors, and looking them right in the eye. That was unsettling for many protestors, who have little tolerance for being counter-protested. They just don't like it at all. It just seems unfair to them. Heh, heh, heh.
John Pickett and his wife, Linda, came all the way from Colorado. John served in Company D, 2nd of 5th Division, 1st Cavalry in Vietnam. He was on patrol in 1966, searching villages which were mysteriously empty, when his unit came under fire. He hid behind a tree until the fire died down, then stepped out to be shot five times, knocking the M79 grenade launcher out of his hands. Fortunately, he lived to tell the tale and retire from the Army after twenty-two years of service. He still wishes he had never stepped out from behind that tree, though.
This was their first protest. Says John, "We're here to defend the Wall." In John's case, the difference between being here to defend the Wall and being on the Wall is razor thin.
The Gathering of Eagles area was well-attended by patriots, but oddly neglected by the media, which preferred to cover the speakers at the ANSWER rally.
The vets objected to the relentlessly negative reporting of the war, a media strategy calculated to wear down the will of the American people.
The Gathering of Eagles area was a festival of American flags, which acted like wolfsbane to keep the lefties away.
When the Gathering of Eagles confronted them, the ANSWER commies blinked.
This Vietnam vet worked for one of the firms in the World Trade Center and lost dozens of friends in the attack.
The Gathering of Eagles rally closed by playing taps for the the guys who fought in Vietnam but never came home, for lives unlived, dreams unrealized, grief that never fades.
"Stop The War On Troop Morale." Indeed.
The vets offered helpful suggestions for the protestors to redirect them to more worthy targets of their moralistic posturing. Unfortunately, condemnation of the real aggressors falls on deaf ears in the protesting set. You can go to a dozen anti-war protests and never see a complaint about the Muslim religious war on America and the world nor outrage at Baathists for filling mass graves full of Shiites in Iraq nor condemnation of Islamic snuff videos. Don't expect to see anyone bitching about train or disco bombings, either. Such crimes lie beyond the edge of the moral map of the Left, where all evil resides in America.
Many of the protestors walking down the sidewalk of Constitution Avenue had to pass the Gathering of Eagles rally and the many veterans gathered there. The vets thoughtfully cleared the sidewalk to form a channel to guide the protestors to their rally. A gauntlet, some called it. They also offered up some random thoughts for the protestors to chew on.
The gauntlet got a giggle out of this protesting bozo, taking photos of him like he was a zoo animal.
Bozo Boy didn't much care for the gauntlet. Nobody really insulted him, because they were too busy laughing and didn't catch their breath until he was past. He seemed kinda miffed that those right-wing nuts didn't respect the fact that he was making a serious statement. It's hard to parody the protestors when they are so busy beclowning themselves. Most of the goofballs who flit to these protests just aren't serious. For them, a protest is their Mardi Gras. The counter-protestors took the fun out of it, which is the main reason why they go.
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Excellent photo essay and commentary! It was an amazing day. I'll be back for part II.
Well done ! Wish I could have been there. Wanted to read Part 3 but the link doesn't work...
Excellent photos and coverage.
So very proud of all the Eagles and patriots who went.
If it weren't for blogs like yours and others, we wouldn't know half of what really went on there.
I went to the Nutroot "Peace & Justice" Parade in Manhattan yesterday and took lots of pics of what we are fighting against. --Photos on my blog.
Eagles Up!
Excellent coverage of the event. I agree whole heartedly with you protrayal of the protestors. If ANSWER had more than a double digit IQ amongst them they would understand that the war at one time was necessary. It may still be necessary, and the upmost respect should be shown to those that have fought to protect us and those still fighting on foreign lands for our freedom. It's time to bring our troops home and to shower them with our gratitude for a job well done. As a staunch Republican for my entire life, even I am weary of a religious/terriorist war where a true victory will never be ours.
Anon,
I assure you that we can beat the Islamic terrorists. Guerrillas usually lose against conventional armies that stand fast and terrorists rarely win. Both are strategies of weakness.
If you grow weary at the dim prospect of true victory, consider the consequences of true defeat.
Great wrap up of the days events. It is definitely a day I'll not soon forget and was so glad I was able to make it to document the truth of their lies.
Nice job warrior!
Really enjoyed your article and as usual no MSM coverage!
Awesome coverage of the event. I really appreciate your stright to the point comments!
Felt like I was there. Yes, you're children must keep fighting the Global War on Terrorism, the blood and treasure are an excellent return on investment!
Please feel free to make a voluntary contribution to the Federal budget to help, as well as volunteering into the armed services, if you're young enough. Or volunteer some time at the VA hospital if you're older.
Thanks and keep up the good patriotic work!
Q: How many Vietnam vets does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: YOU DONT KNOW! YOU WEREN'T THERE!!!!!
One day all you pubescent men will wear burkas. I mean, half of you already like the idea,, but...
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Fuck you.
Do you even know what real communism is?? Where do you get the outragous notion that ANSWER supported the Stalinist regime??? Oh, and by the way, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, and Hu were never communists. They claimed to be, but they are actually far from it. True communism is the sharing of wealth between all people, with no one person more powerful than the other. How can you say that Stalin was communist now? All of you capitalistic, right-wing, money-hungry, oppressive conservatives need to realize that you are the reason why so many other countries hate America.
Ah yes, the articulate and intelligent left barks its response.
Yes, actually we all know what true communism is. It's a butcher and a jailer of millions.
Not only do we wingnuts hold the ridiculous notion that ANSWER is a Stalinist front, so do the radicals on the Left, like David Corn:
http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/behind-the-placards/3458/
And the anarchists, too:
http://www.infoshop.org/texts/wwp.html
Reformed lefty Christopher Hitchens also thinks so:
http://www.slate.com/id/2126913/
Before you try to convince we hopeless reactionary conservatives that ANSWER is not Stalinist, you need to convince your left wing buddies who need to hold their nose when they march with you.
Yes, communism looks great on paper, doesn't it, especially to dopey sophomores with no experience of life. But it never works out well in practice, does it? In fact, it always descends into mass murder.
If you want people to buy communism, you have to show them somewhere it has worked. In fact, everywhere it's tried it has failed because it has no respect for the individual. Sharing the wealth boils down to stealing the labor of the productive, a recipe for catastrophe.
For a hated country, there seems to be a long line of people who want to get in America, while there always seems to be a lot of people fleeing communist countries. Why do you think that is? Could it be that even the dumbest guy in the Third World knows that communism sucks? And that guy is smarter than you.
Anonymous sounds an awful lot like a troll over at No-Pasaran, Ryan Nunaya. But then it could be that the half-educated tend to sound alike.
Hitler claimed to be a communist? My, my the ignorance of the leftist nutjobs is staggering.
Good photos. Bravo Zulu to all the Eagles!!!
To be fair, communism works for the Hutterites and the Amish. It works for the ants and bees too but thats about it.
The Vietnam war was incredible destructive. We concentrate on what it cost America, billions spent, 58,000 dead, thousands more injured physically and emotionally. It cost Vietnam much more. 3-4 million civilians killed, 1.5 millions soldiers killed, uncalcuable destruction to the country itself from 3xs the amount of bombs dropped in WW2. Agent orange pollution, etc... The equivalent percentage of Americans killed would have been aprox 50 million given our respective sizes in population. Feel proud that you served showing great courage and honor. Be proud you love your country for there is much to love and that you fought for democracy and freedom. But forget not the pain and suffering the Vietnamese were forced to endure from that conflict. War is not a honorable thing.
You forgot to mention all the destruction the North Vietnamese did after they won. They executed thousands of people and threw tens of thousands in prison. Maybe a million Vietnamese died at sea fleeing the Communist regime. Next door in Cambodia, the killing fields claimed a million dead from the Communist Khymer Rouge. Wouldn't it have been better if we had won and the Vietnamese had been spared that pain and suffering?
War is not honorable when it is fought to further evil, as the North Vietnamese did. Fighting to stop them was indeed honorable, just like fighting to shut down the Nazi extermination camps was honorable. Fighting to stop Muslim terror is honorable just like fighting to stop the Baathists from continuing their reign of terror in Iraq is honorable.
By contrast, it is dishonorable to let evil win through inaction or cowardice.
The killing fields of Cambodia were not a direct result of communism, but an extreme/hateful example of what happens when a country is pounded into oblivion, and forced into famine through years of warfare. The Vietnamese communists dismantled the Khmer Rouge, they were never allies, and in fact the United States covertly supported them until the killing fields were uncovered in the late 70s. I am not a communist apologist. Communism is a hateful paranoid oppressive form of gov. The re-education camps were undoubtable terrible. The VC engaged in assassinations and acts of terror. But don't paint with such a black and white brush. The world is not so simple, even if you want it to be. Polish your medals and solute you flag, but that war caused millions of deaths and injuries. We also engaged in assassinations. How about our "relocation" camps, where thousands were forced to move from their ancestrial homes or be labeled VC by default. If you couldnt leave becuase you were too old, or simply refused to leave, you were labeled VC and killed on the spot or left to die. Gooks, slopes, dinks, were barely considered human, and what was one more killed right? Free fire zones? Body counts? carpet bombing? hell, the more killed the better. A recipe for pain and disaster. Why, in the 50s, did we side with the French over the various Vietnamese independence movements to further the French colonialistic goals? As I said, you displayed great courage and honor in serving when called. America asked, and you went. A more difficult experience I can not imagine. For that you deserve great respect and your pride has been earned. But I know the evil that occurred over there during the war, It dwarfs anything currently happening in Iraq, and pretending after the fact that it was all simply the result of communism and the Vietnamese of the north, is wishful thinking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge
Alfred: "The killing fields of Cambodia were not a direct result of communism, but an extreme/hateful example of what happens when a country is pounded into oblivion, and forced into famine through years of warfare."
The killing fields in Cambodia were the direct result of Communism, which always kills people in big batches where ever it sets up shop. There was no famine in Cambodia until the Khymer Rouge took over and instituted its Communist system of farming, which failed in Cambodia like it has failed everywhere. When the commie economy started failing, Pol Pot and his crew blamed it on sabotage due to traitors. So they began a second wave of terror, torturing and executing innocent people they blamed for their own mismanagement and failure.
Alfred: "I am not a communist apologist."
Coulda fooled me.
Alfred: "Communism is a hateful paranoid oppressive form of gov. The re-education camps were undoubtable terrible. The VC engaged in assassinations and acts of terror. But don't paint with such a black and white brush. The world is not so simple, even if you want it to be."
Your advice is so good that I recommend you take it yourself. The war in Vietnam certainly seems simple in your eyes: America is to blame! Even when you are forced to concede that the Communists killed promiscuously, it's America's fault.
Alfred: "Polish your medals and solute you flag, but that war caused millions of deaths and injuries."
Perhaps the North Vietnamese should not have begun the war with their terror campaign against the South in 1958, sending 7000 to 15,000 guerrillas into the South to kill 4000 police officers and government officials per year. Isn't it odd that you have no criticism against this covert invasion of the South by the North, that all your criticism falls on the defenders of the South? If you oppose the war in Vietnam, shouldn't you oppose the North Vietnamese aggressors who started it? But you don't. Why?
If you think the North Vietnamese were the good guys in the Vietnam War, that requires a great deal of wishful thinking.
Hmmm... What should I say to people who think there were "good guys" in the Vietnam War ?
There were good men probably on both sides who got dragged in, but good sides (I mean morally?) war is an ugly thing.
I will say this: "Iraq is a money-loser" for the soilders, the veterans and their families. This does not mean it doesn't bring profit to those who made the decisions. Thinking about what the "other side" is saying/doing is not treason of your own cause.
Zoltan Bojas
(just so you know my name goes with my opinion)
Pentagon March: Vets vs Protesters
In the shadow of Lincoln's massive temple the street was divided by a line of mounted police, keeping at bay the angry vets. I was bothered by their presence but, being from a family of decorated militairy veterans, I think I might know why they were pissed about our protest.
Nam vets were treated with disrespect when they returned to the states. They didn't deserve it. Any man who suffers through war in the service of his country deserves honor. From what I know of Nam, I think our military was trying to doing a good thing. We were there to stop an aggressive expansion of Communist imperialism. But herein lies the irony.
In Nam we were the defenders AGAINST imperialism. In Iraq, WE ARE the agressive imperialists. America might have stood on the moral high ground in previous wars. Even in Afghanistan, perhaps. But not in Iraq.
War in Iraq was started with a lie and, thanks to poor intel from Cheney's intelligence Cabal, didn't even let us establish a healthy Democracy (Oligarchy, whatever). I don't think it's working, unless the idea is to start a civil war between Muslim factions. But that's no good. Getting people to kill each other? Better than trying to kill us but it still sucks.
What doesn't suck is showing the rest of the world, including Arabs, that Americans are good people who want peace, hate imperialism, and think dead civilians in Iraq matter. That's why I was there. To help America by showing the rest of the world that we give a shit. Not to disrespect vets.
Anonymous: "In the shadow of Lincoln's massive temple the street was divided by a line of mounted police, keeping at bay the angry vets."
That's pure nonsense. If you look at the photos presented in this blog you will note two things:
1) Most of the counter-protestors are standing with their hands in their pockets, enjoying the spectacle of the protestors.
2) Almost all of the police are facing the protestors. Few are facing the counter-protestors.
My own experience is that anti-war protests contain violent people. I was roughed up by one of the organizers of a "peace" protest at another ANSWER-sponsored "peace" march just like this one. Protestors tend to be angry haters.
I might also point out that the protestors included Black Bloc anarchists who tried to provoke a physical confrontation with the police near the Pentagon. There were no such provocations by the counter-protestors.
Quite frankly, you were marching on the side of violence. One example is the socialists who attacked a woman carrying an America flag, stole it, and ripped it up in front of her, which I documented in photos in Part 4. No such attacks were made by the counter-protestors.
Anonymous: "I was bothered by their presence but, being from a family of decorated militairy veterans, I think I might know why they were pissed about our protest."
Let me tell you why, since you didn't actually figure it out:
1) They were there to protect the Vietnam Memorial from vandalism by lefty radicals.
2) They wanted to defeat your attempt to win the war for the jihadi and Baathist insurgents on the home front.
The reason why radicals like you are bothered by counter-protests is that you are against free speech by those who disagree with you.
Anonymous: "Nam vets were treated with disrespect when they returned to the states. They didn't deserve it. Any man who suffers through war in the service of his country deserves honor. From what I know of Nam, I think our military was trying to doing a good thing. We were there to stop an aggressive expansion of Communist imperialism. But herein lies the irony.
In Nam we were the defenders AGAINST imperialism. In Iraq, WE ARE the agressive imperialists. America might have stood on the moral high ground in previous wars. Even in Afghanistan, perhaps. But not in Iraq."
Your thinking is considerably muddled. There is no "perhaps" about Afghanistan, which had sold itself to Al Qaeda and served as a staging area for its attacks which slaughtered three thousand innocent people in America.
You're drinking deep from the socialist Kool Aid if you think America is in Iraq to get an empire going. You need to reexamine your morality if you think Saddam the slaughterer of hundreds of thousands of his own people owns the moral high ground against America.
Anonymous: "War in Iraq was started with a lie and, thanks to poor intel from Cheney's intelligence Cabal, didn't even let us establish a healthy Democracy (Oligarchy, whatever). I don't think it's working, unless the idea is to start a civil war between Muslim factions. But that's no good. Getting people to kill each other? Better than trying to kill us but it still sucks."
The war in Iraq started with Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, it's refusal to abide by the surrender agreement, its rejection of eighteen UN resolutions, its attempted assassination of the elder Bush in Kuwait with a car bomb, its firing of hundreds of surface to air missiles at our aircraft patrolling the UN-mandated no-fly zones, its posting of bounties on killed or captured US military people, its continued construction of WMD, its training of terrorists, and so on. It takes a lot for a guy like you to miss all these provocations. How is it that you either dismiss them as casus belli or are ignorant of them?
Anonymous: "What doesn't suck is showing the rest of the world, including Arabs, that Americans are good people who want peace, hate imperialism, and think dead civilians in Iraq matter."
Arabs don't care about dead Arabs. They didn't raise a peep of protest when Saddam was butchering Arabs by the busloads for years on end. They don't care about any dictator killing Arabs, as long as he's an Arab.
Arabs don't hate imperialism, either. They universally support Islamic imperialism and terror to spread it.
Arabs don't hate killing civilians either. They celebrated the mass murder of civilians on Sep 11. They are happily contributing suicide bombers who kill Iraqi civilians by the dozens in the streets and markets.
The only hope Iraqis have of making a decent future is American intervention. The Kurds in norther Iraq have taken the gift of liberation from America and run with it. The Shiites in the south, not so much. It is the Sunni Baathists in the center who want their Iraqi empire back where they ruled over the majority Shiites and the Kurds against their will.
Anonymous: "That's why I was there. To help America by showing the rest of the world that we give a shit. Not to disrespect vets."
You're on the wrong side if you want to respect vets or care about what's happenning in Iraq. I was walking with the protestor crowd. They were full of contempt for the vets, calling them rednecks, Nazis, etc. The Washington Post videotaped one of the protestors trying to spit on a vet. The police had to break up the protestors trying to physically attack vets counter-protesting you at Arlington Cemetery. Who are you kidding?
If you cared about Iraq, you wouldn't be trying to pull our troops out of there, leaving ordinary Iraqis to the mercy of the insurgents. Those insurgents include jihadis who make beheading videos, who beat vendors who display mixed fruits in the markets, shoot women who are not convering up to their liking, who kill the children of families who reject the draft of their teenage sons into terror cells, who shoot merchants who sell videos or liquor. The Baathist insurgents want to restore a Sunni tyranny where they can torture, imprison, and kill anyone on a whim, a la Saddam. That's what you are marching for when you march against America.
How do you justify marching on the side of such contemptible evil?
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