Sunday, March 18, 2007

Vets Vs Moonbats, Part 4

I didn't read any further than "FREE IMAM..." when my gag reflex kicked in and I decided whoever Imam Jamil Al-Amin might be, he was probably a guilty dirtbag that I would never want to see walking free on the streets. A little Googling confirmed the accuracy of my finely tuned BS detector. Imam Jamil Al-Amin is the former 60's radical and Black Panther, H. Rap Brown, famous for saying "We're gonna burn America down." He made the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List in 1970, then got into a shootout with the cops that sent him to the slammer for five years. He took a new Muslim name after a jailhouse conversion to Islam.

His conversion to the Religion of Peace made him a bigger asshole. Islam gave him a whole new set of reasons to hate America. He wrote in 1994, "When we begin to look critically at the Constitution of the United States, we see that in its main essence it is diametrically opposed to what Allah has commanded." He was suspected in connection with a dozen different homicides, finally getting his radical ass arrested for shooting a drug dealer in the legs four times. After getting out of that, he shot two cops, killing one. That put him on the FBI list a second time, got him arrested, convicted, and sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole in 2002.

Jamil portrayed himself as an innocent Muslim victim, "This matter is not just about me. It is about Islam and the entire Muslim Ummah. There is a pre-meditated conspiracy to destroy Islamic leadership. When the truth is established, the disbelievers will start to do things." Consequently, the leading Muslim organizations love him. CAIR, the AMC, ISNA and the Muslim American Society issued a joint statement: "The charges against Imam Jamil are especially troubling because they are inconsistent with what is known of his moral character and past behavior as a Muslim." These organizations never met a Muslim terrorist they didn't like.

And that's why this chick is toting Jamil's plea around on a sign: The lefties love cop killers. But I don't.

The socialists were hectoring the crowd on a bullhorn. One of the slogans amplified to the crowds was to support the resistance in Iraq. Yup, you read that right. The commies wanted the useful idiots to support the insurgents killing and wounding our guys in Iraq, beheading Iraqis who work for America, and driving truck bombs into marketplaces. Radicals, have you no sense of decency!?


Suddenly, a woman in a "Viva The Reagan Revolution" T-shirt jumped in the middle of the circle of socialists, waving an American flag and holding a sign: "Win the War or lose to Jihad!"


The commies mobbed her, covering her sign with theirs, lest a sane message infect the moonbats.



There was a struggle for the flag.



One of the commies grabbed the flag and tore it up while laughing at the woman he stole it from.


He walked around showing off the torn flag, his trophy, to his commie pals. I asked him why he tore that flag in half. "It's IMPERIALISM!" he shouted. That's your interpretation. What about her free speech? "It's HATE speech. It supports imperialism," growled the commie. That's your opinion, says I. What about free speech? "She shouldn't BE here!" yelled the commie, making haste to escape me into the crowd.

Flying the flag is hate speech to the commies. That is a core value of our political opposition. They are not against the war. They are against America and all it stands for. While our democracy grants them freedom of speech, in their world freedom of speech belongs only to them and any dissent is swiftly crushed.

This hammerhead was ranting about the United States poisoning the world with depleted uranium and giving anecdotes about people suffering radiation poisoning from DU. The only problem with this particular conspiracy theory is that depleted uranium is about as radioactive as ordinary dirt. That's why they called it "depleted." The US military has guys who have been wounded by DU, carry bits of DU in their bodies where it enters the bloodstream, and they have documented no ill effects from it other than what you could expect from having metal fragments punch through your body.

But in the protest world, all you need to be considered an expert is some paper, glue, and posterboard accompanied by a bullhorn.


They certainly are.

Although this one was pretty cute.


And this one was kinda cute, too, though I suspect she's using the protest as an excuse to talk dirty to crowds.

Gosh, another caricature of Bush. Didn't see THAT coming. You know, lefties are like little kids who can watch the same movie over and over and over and still laugh at the same jokes every time like they just heard it.


Ramsey Clark, former attorney general under LBJ, and now attorney to the slimiest dictators on the planet, spoke with the Pentagon as his backdrop. The countries building nukes couldn't hurt us if they tried, he cried. The Pentagon's budget is too big. You can't make that many weapons without killing people. The defense budget should be cut in half, then cut in half again. Personally, I'd rather see Ramsey Clark cut in half, then cut in half again.

Basically, this demonstration was a political follow-on attack to the terrorist strike on the Pentagon on September 11. ANSWER and Al Qaeda both consider the Pentagon a target for roughly equivalent reasons. ANSWER sees the Pentagon as an obstacle to insurgent socialist movements. Al Qaeda sees the Pentagon as an obstacle to insurgent jihadi movements. Their interests neatly converge on the Pentagon.


"Support Our Deserters" is what the lefties mean by supporting the troops.


Cindy Sheehan, the Mother of All Moonbats, took the stage to thunderous applause and whoops from the crowd. She bitched about how cold it was and then casually said her son, Casey, died for nothing. [Tantor Note: Actually Casey died trying to save his buddies trapped under fire. That's Something.] Sheehan cried that America is fighting to make the corporations rich and line the pockets of George Bush, Dick Cheney and all the other war criminals. She didn't much care for the Gathering of Eagles, either, who don't realize that America is not the universe. [Tantor Note: Agreed, America is not the whole universe, just the sweet center of the universe around which everything else revolves.] Referring to the Pentagon, Cindy says they take this death and destruction and export it around the world. [Tantor Note: If I have to explain to you why this is wrong, GET OFF MY BLOG!]

"Let's stop this bullshit now!" cried Cindy Sheehan. At last, Cindy and I and the whole moonbat world agreed. The crowd took the sentiment to heart and began decamping from the rally without hearing out the next dozen rants of the remaining speakers.

Oddly enough, not one of the speakers mentioned that jihadis flew a jumbo jet into the Pentagon behind them and killed 184 innocent people.


When all was said and done, this is what they really wanted.


And not a single protestor laid a finger on the Wall.

76 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the single best pictoral essay and analysis of the groups behind Saturday's march that I have seen.
I have a son currently attending a state university. He receives mass emails through the university system to attend these protests. Free bus, plenty of fun! I asked him to read one of the emails to me. No where were the organizers mentioned. No one seemed to wonder who it was that shelled out the big bucks for the permits, porta pottys and posters.
The lack of interest in who organizes these things is simply amazing when you consider that these young men and women are supposedly being educated to inquire... After all, isn't that what a "liberal education" is supposed to do?
Sending link to this essay now...

Mon Mar 19, 07:18:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would have loved to have been there, problem is... I'm in Baghdad at the moment. Working as a DOD contractor at a power plant outside the I.Z. Great essay, great pix. And if anyone thinks the troop surge isn't working, they aren't in Daura. After our guys swept through here, the mortar & SAF attacks decreased dramatically. God Bless our Troops. God Bless our President.

Mon Mar 19, 09:33:00 AM 2007  
Blogger The Threatinator said...

Nothing burns in my soul hotter than seeing a pathetic maggot-infested anarchist grabbing a flag from someone and tearing it up. It seems that the liberals have exclusive rights to this behavior. I recall a rally before that last presidential election where some low IQ democrat took a flag from a child and tore it up in their face. These cretins should be publicly flogged.

Mon Mar 19, 09:58:00 AM 2007  
Blogger The Threatinator said...

I wish we could identify the ass-jockey who tore of the woman's American flag. This pathetic brute probably lives in his mother's basement and secretly kills neighborhood animals justifying it as honing his liberal anarchist skills. These morons gain their power and embolden their egos when gathered in groups. It likely also enhanced their stupidity. Perhaps this d-bag holds some job where this kind of behavior would reflect negatively on his employer, earning him a swift kick out the door.

Mon Mar 19, 10:04:00 AM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Anon1: Thanks. I live for readers like you.

Anon2: Thanks. I'm glad I can give the guys in Iraq a view of the home front.

threatinator: You're entirely correct that this is not a one off incident. The only reason that this particular commie tore the flag was probably because he didn't have a lighter handy. The Left does not believe in freedom of speech except for themselves. It's part of the larger bogus elitist conception they have of themselves as being smarter than everyone else, no matter how dumb they are. Accepting the catechism of the Left makes them enlightened, in their view. With that enlightenment, they feel entitled to suppress unenlightened positions with force.

Mon Mar 19, 10:07:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here in the leftist state of New York
the forcible taking of any property from the person of another is a felony known as Grand Larceny. This is regardless of the value of the property. Too bad this dirtbag wasn't treated to some time in the gray bar hotel. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND OUR TROOPS.

Mon Mar 19, 10:28:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to correct you; I touched the wall.

Mon Mar 19, 10:32:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous GunnNutt said...

As always, you're the best Tantor!

Mon Mar 19, 10:51:00 AM 2007  
Blogger Miss Behavin said...

I only wish I could have been there to touch the Wall; and I would've grabbed that Flag from that worthless POS who doesn't deserve the protection of it and flogged him with the stick.

Mon Mar 19, 12:25:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You made my joournal man!

Note: as you have documented, none of those protestors knows how to spell piece right :)

Montag

Mon Mar 19, 01:27:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Howie said...

Sick, They stand for nothing, just like the original hippies. Ask one, he'll tell you. We stood for nothing, except ourselves. Linked ya.

Mon Mar 19, 01:28:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More from Canada!

http://no-libs.com/?p=1538

Mon Mar 19, 01:38:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tantor,
You've done an outstanding job on this photo-journal! I was there on Saturday, with my son (21 years old, who drove up from UNC to attend - as a Patriot). I saw the entire thing. I stood my 3 hour self-imposed vigil at The Wall, near panel W-52, in honor of my wife's friend, of who was killed in Viet Nam in 1968, and whose name is engraved on W-52. I made a private oath that no one would dishonour Sgt Rance McEachern, Jr. or his memory on W-52 as long as I was there. It was cold, and I haven't stood a watch since I retired from the U. S. Navy 10 years ago. But cold or not, this was a good watch.

Thanks to those Patriots who showed up on Saturday in huge numbers, the mission (protecting the Wall and the monuments) was ably accomplished! It's about time we Patriots stood up again. You said it right - takes a lot to get a Conservative to break the suction between his bottom and the seat and march back to defend the country. Once he/she does, watch out! I think GOE I is just the start.

Also, to give you all some measure of hope for the future, it was not me who convinced my 21 year old, bearded son, wearing spikey baloon-bottomed pants, to come to this Gathering of Eagles... This son of mine, who is a post-baccalaureate student at a school in one of the most blue counties in the country, convinced ME to break the suction and join him at the Gathering of Eagles - to watch his back. How could I refuse?? I am so proud of him, and of all the Patriots who attended on Saturday!

There IS hope for this country in our youth. Many DO understand, and many more are simply unable to attend because they are in the service, fighting for our continued freedom. There are outstanding young Americans ready to take our places as we fade. Please welcome them, no matter what their appearance may be, and teach them.

Last note: if you are a sheep-dog, remember why you are, and what made you a sheep-dog in the first place - to protect the sheep when the wolf comes knocking at the door. Even if you're an old sheep-dog, remember why you went in the first place - to protect the sheep. An old sheep-dog is still a sheep-dog, and always will be. Don't forget it - the sheep still need to be protected, and the wolf is at the door again...
Respectfully,
Tomcattwo
Montclair VA

Mon Mar 19, 01:38:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Tater said...

Superb post. Wish I'd been there but couldn't take leave due to an exercise I was running. But I'll be looking for the next rally!

Appreciate the time you took to post this.


Later

Mon Mar 19, 01:42:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Rogue said...

GREAT POST, TANTOR!
I'll bet as a former wizzo you were itching to place your head in the feed bag and put the pickle on some targets of opportunity.

I'm going to link to your site, but I also use Blogger and it doesn't support trackback yet (that I know of).

P.S. The two protesters that you thought were cute -- one looked like a long haired Steffi Graf and the other a potty-mouthed transsexual (jaw line was a bit thick for me.)

HUA! AIRPOWER!

Mon Mar 19, 02:29:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Doc Wright said...

SHE KNEW THE BOY CASEY BUT, SHE DIDN’T KNOW THE MAN

BY MARK A. WRIGHT 01 OCT 2005

HMC(SS), USN

Her cheeks were streaked with tears

There was a tremble in her voice

Her heart was ripped in two

Because her son had made a choice

He chose to go and rescue

His men out in the sand

You see, she knew the boy Casey

But she didn’t know the man.


Now Casey loved this country

He was a Soldier through and through

While others rode the fence

He knew exactly what to do

He would take the fight they started here

Take it to their foreign land.

She knew the boy Casey

But she didn’t know the man


Some of his troops and been attacked

They were in it ..... in it deep

He didn’t have to go

But said "My place is with my sheep

He gave his life that they might live

And come home to this land

You see, she knew the boy Casey

But she didn’t know the man


Now my heart goes out to Cindy

And all of those who cry

For the daughters and the Sons

Who went to serve and had to die

But she does him a dishonor

As she rants about the land

Because she knew the boy Casey

But she didn’t know the man


Now I have been a warrior

For half of all my life

Seen a lot of loneliness

Pain and blood and strife

And I’ve fought beside these soldiers

Who protect our home and land.

I didn’t know the boy Casey

But I salute the MAN.


Thank you Eagles for protecting our monuments but more importantly for showing our warriors that we in America still love, cherish and support them. Thank you for supporting me.

Doc Wright

Mon Mar 19, 02:36:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Cajun Tiger said...

Why is Ramsey Clark not arrested and tried for treason is my question?

Mon Mar 19, 02:48:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Proud to Be an American said...

I don't know who that Jamal is, but I'm sure she's part of the group who wants the release of Mumia Abu Jamal, the convicted cop-killer on death row. He shot a Philadelphia police office four times in the back, and there were witnesses. The family of the murdered office, Daniel Faulkner, is still living with this mess.
Yeah, this crowd is real special. They probably had more kids walking with them in their crowd than the rest of the traitors. They should all be locked up, with the key thrown in the Delaware River.

Mon Mar 19, 03:54:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Tater said...

Doc,

Good poem! Did you write that?

Mon Mar 19, 04:08:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Tater said...

Opps,

Pardon my stupidity, just saw signature at the top of the page. Still, a great poem!

Mon Mar 19, 04:10:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY (RET) said...

I wrote and published this during the last moonbat convention, and it bears repeating:
"Patriotic Dissent"?
The pollution has dissipated from the September “anti-war” fruitcake convention in D.C., and it’s time to reflect on their professed message of patriotism.
If they are indeed patriotic they sure have a strange way of showing it. They seem to be a bit confused as to the concept of patriotism and what constitutes legitimate dissent.
The repertoire of 21st century flower children includes burning the flag, cheering the Taliban and al Qadea, slandering the victims of 9/11 and loathing the military. To punctuate the latest event, a three-ring circus of moonbats pranced around in their Code Pink tutus, silly skeleton masks, and hoisted the requisite “Bush is Hitler” signs. The “grieving mother” Cindi al Sheehani joined the fray, continuing with her mission of prostituting her brave Soldier son’s memory to the Left.
University academic intelligentsia is chock-full of left-over ‘60s radicals like Ward Churchill, who use their classrooms as bully-pulpits for neo-bolshevism. Their idea of intellectual diversity is to berate and ostracize student apostates who don’t share the same political deformities.
Boy, those Ivory Tower Bohemians are sure smarter and more deserving than the “flyover” states, huh?
Not to be outdone, some Hollywood hambones have lent their worldly “expertise” on foreign policy, invoking their own unique angle on civics from any stage available, even if it’s one masquerading as “hurricane relief”.
On that note: Ms. Midler, call your proctologist, he found your head.
You can’t blame them entirely. Put them on stage in front of a sympathetic audience (no dissent allowed, of course), and they get a sense of relevance that doesn't exist after the director yells "CUT"!
Let’s not exclude the daily parade of Democratic Party wackjobs and their churlish cohorts who pop up like jack-in-the-boxes in front of the nearest T.V. camera; Charles Rangel: "George Bush is our Bull Connor” , Cynthia McKinney: "The entire 'Saving Private Lynch in Iraq' episode was staged by the US military”, Patty Murray: “bin Laden builds day-care facilities…we haven’t done that”, Nancy Pelosi: “Bush guilty of Katrina cover-up”, Sheila Jackson-Lee: “Names like Hurricane Andrew, Hurricane Sam and Hurricane Wanda are just too white and, all racial groups should be represented.", Al Sharpton: “Fidel Castro is a great leader.", and Louis Farrakhan: “The New Orleans levees were blown up by the government”.
Dick Durbin, Harry Reid and Howard Dean don’t often pass up the chance to enlighten us with their perspectives, either. They’re frustrated; reduced to hurling playground taunts from the sidelines when the adults are in charge of running the country.
If this fine collection of politicians is indicative of the “leadership” embraced by the Democratic Party, they can expect continued disgust. The egotistical incompetents of the left would never dare to praise the U.S. or show gratitude for what they’ve got when bizarre, obscene, unappreciative behavior will do.
Never underestimate their ability to ejaculate Bush-bashing or al Qadea apologetics from something as politically unrelated as a hurricane report. When CNN’s Soledad O’Brien commented that Katrina evacuees housed at the Houston Superdome were ‘worse off than beheading victims in Baghdad’, the MSM added one more item to its stupid column.
The left’s “love” for this country orbits around the guaranteed right to spew all the things they hate. Here’s just some of what they hate: The country, (“It’s not worth fighting for”) American history, democracy, President Bush, SUVs, President Bush, people who question their opinions, and oh, did I forget to mention President Bush?
Then there’s the special hate category they’ve reserved for the military; denigrating the sacrifices of those sworn to protect them and reap the benefits without having to put their own lives on the line. The convenience of it all is mind-boggling. Newsflash: Marching with anti-American/pro-Islamofascist signs and screaming the usual recitations in a free country doesn’t take a lot of guts.
For all of the bluster, they would never, for one minute, live under the system they advocate. Their identity is mired in the anti-American neurosis part and parcel to the lunatic fringe. If their intention is to reflect their patriotism, the method could use some work.
SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY (RET)

Mon Mar 19, 04:47:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The question is, how do we keep the momentum the Vietnam vets and co. have started? We must keep the "silent majority" motivated. They now know we have their backs. All we have to do is get them to stay off their duffs to deliver the message.

Mon Mar 19, 06:20:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Chief RZ said...

Great job. That is classic: "waiving the American Flag is hate speech. You hit the nail on the head.

If you have time, take a visit to The Truth. You hit the nail on its head: They are communists.

Mon Mar 19, 06:38:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Tom the Redhunter said...

Excellent series of photoessays and commentary! I've linked to all of them.

Mon Mar 19, 08:35:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous ian said...

Whatevir fascists.

BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED!

Mon Mar 19, 09:11:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Ron in El Paso said...

Thats What Ever but then, those who have to use bumper sticker slogans that have no factual basis to support them are destined to dwell in the basement of the air america two holer.

Mon Mar 19, 09:54:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a protestor against U.S. Iraq policy. I think it is the most disastrous foreign policy disaster in our history.

I'm also pro-troop, and pro-America.

Bring our boys home.

Mon Mar 19, 10:27:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous SFC McElroy US ARMY (RET) said...

Hey anonymous, since you're a "protester against U.S. foreign policy", what's YOUR grand military strategy? Kiss the terrorists' asses? Had I been in charge, 4 Islamofascist nation-states (Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Syria) would have been asphalt parking lots on 12 September 2001. We weren't in Iraq or Afghanistan prior to 9/11. They may not be the only ME countries responsible for terrorism, but it's a good place to start.

Tue Mar 20, 10:03:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous bluejacket of GOE said...

should you send copies to the DC police? where i come from that is robbery and assualt. i was with GOE and i wish i had been close to that punk, you could have got pics of some black eyes as i would not stand by while ANY man assualts a woman. WHAT A COWARD HE IS!

Tue Mar 20, 11:03:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a USMC Vietnam Veteran 1965-1966 in Nam and I was at the Gathering of Eagles 1 and wil be at 2,3 and 4 if it is needed! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! Hanoi Jane was a no-show because the traitor accidentally bumped into a single brain cell and realized what was happening. I'm sure that cell has since departed. It's really easy for those that haven't had to fight for freedom to enjoy the fruits that it bares, then turn against that which provided the fruit. Those such as 'Anonyomous' can sit back in their easy chairs and profess to the world 'Bush is a bad President, bad foreign policy, bad this/bad that!' and then get up off their lasy asses and stumble into the kitchen for another soda pop! So what have they done to ensure our freedom. Hop a plane to China, North Korea or Cuba and complain. I won't be there to sew your head back on or your other body parts. I would much rather fight the battles over there on foreign soil than have to defend our country over there. Well Mr. and Mrs. Moonbat anti-war protestors...WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR CRAP! WE ARE TAKING BACK OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!

Nam Vet

Tue Mar 20, 11:23:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So the whole "Hanoi Jane will be leading the marchers" b.s. was just a hoax. I really liked the photos I saw elsewhere of the one old vet shooting the protestors the finger, and the other with the GOE guys holdin up that 'Go To Hell You Traitors' banner.

"To stand silent guard over our nation's memorials, in honor of our fallen,"

Tue Mar 20, 11:32:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remain anonymous since I hold a position of authority.

But let the scum continue to probe the real America. Like Yamamoto said about Pearl Harbor, when he commented that the Janpanese have awakened a mighty beast which will have a horible vengence, so will the real America respond in the future to these flag burning scum. Let that lady not be saddened that she could not defend they flag against the scum. he will be in out "sights" one day soon. Let them keep on pushing America's time is coming soon.

Tue Mar 20, 02:31:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I plead with all you people! Remember

BUMPER STICKERS ARE NOT THE ANSWER!!!

Tue Mar 20, 03:04:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Cargosquid said...

A Sailor thanks you
To all of the Eagles that gathered,
Thank you for such a great turnout. I wished so much to be there, instead here in the Sandbox. And not just to leave here. It's warm, here. To see that great turnout, all over the web, brought a tear of joy and choked me up. Thank you again.

Tue Mar 20, 03:27:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Doc Lee said...

I departed Jackson TN at midnight on Thursday enroute to GOE1.

By 0330 I was standing in the emergency room of university Medical Center in Lebanon, TN. I was admitted and prepped for surgery. I underwent two operations to remove my gallbladder and to remove a stone that had fallen to the common duct of the liver.

I am proud to see that others did in fact make it. I am home now after a five day stay in the hospital.

Thank you for recording this in details. I read every word and am honored to be on the right side of the issue.

How a communist group can arouse the support of a former US AG is beyond me. Can the folks of this country be so naive? The answer sits in history, look what happened to Germany in the early thirties.

Luckily, ttoo many of us realize that and will not allow that to happen.

Here's to all who made the mission a success. Sorry the ole DOC had to miss it.

I'm vocal enough, the protestors would have loved me!

Doc Lee USN (RET)

Tue Mar 20, 03:52:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Michael Allen said...

I'm A Vietnam Vet.I was at goe1 and i can't wait for the next one.Because i know that our crowd will be even bigger.America has awakened the commies are on the run.Its a great time to be a American.God bless our Troops.and God bless America.Let's run the commies out of town.

Michael Allen
Airborne All The Way

Tue Mar 20, 08:54:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous river rat said...

When is the next Gathering of Eagles? I missed this one I wont miss the next. Make it also a rally for victory and you will get even more people- its time to make the ground shake starting in that bastion of liberlism- D.C. I really believe that 100,000 or more would attend given enough time to prepare- iam just fired up by what went down. God bless all of you

Tue Mar 20, 10:34:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was a Eagle Standing with many Eagles 3/17/2007. Standing proud and not giveing a inch. It was good to see those who Served as I did and serving once again against those that would tear down our country.

I will gather anytime my Brothers or Eagles gather.

Proud to be a American and Proud to have served. Even more proud of those still serving to protect.

I will not let them return like we did.

Ray Hait
Veitnam 69/70

Wed Mar 21, 08:49:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SFC McElroy US ARMY (RET) said...

Hey anonymous, since you're a "protester against U.S. foreign policy", what's YOUR grand military strategy? Kiss the terrorists' asses?

>>

Not exactly. I would not have started a reckless policy based on cherry-picked facts and flimsy evidence and even weaker opposition research.

Either fight a war for just reasons and send enough troops to carry out the policy, or don't fight it at all.

Bring them home, they are tired and worn out.

Wed Mar 21, 10:47:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous heidianne jackson said...

first, tantor, let me thank you for posting this series for those of us unable to make to goe1.

i have only one objection to your post and that is the representation of our country's form of government as a democracy. it is important to remember (and to teach our young) that our form of governement was never intended to be a democracy, but rather to be a democratic republic. the two are very different, and had our representatives and the judicial moonbats held to that, we would not be in such a moral delemma today.

secondly, to anon above me:

why is it that you feel the need for annonymity if your representing the majority view point? you are not.

the intelligence was neither flimsy nor cherry-picked. there were wmd. there was a link from saddam to al queda. there is a link from other me "leaders" to terrorism.

please explain to me why you can only say what you wouldn't have done instead of what you think should be done. and don't give me any crap about bringing the troops home. they are tired, but not worn out. they are willing, ready and able to stand against this threat as they have done so well and so many times in the past.

by your standards, we should have quit during that last hard winter of the revolutionary war; if ever soldiers were tired and worn out it was then. or how about the paratroopers dropped in germany? less than 100 against and entire battalion (thought to be gone from the area by the intelligence community); surely they shouldn't have been sent in without stronger investigation/knowledge of the opposition. and yet they prevailed against tierny in both instances - and in countless other instances in the history of our great nation.

david did beat goliath and our forces can prevail against the terrorist and the insurgents but only if we, as a nation, fully support our men in the field.

telling our soldiers in harm's way that they are too tired and too worn out to effect a victory in this fight is NOT supporting the troops. it is demoralizing them.

try doing some research on sites other than liberal whack jobs. as conservatives in this country (and world, really) we are used to looking for information to counter-balance the crap spewed by the msm. my experience is that when liberals do the same, and get a different point of view, they sometimes start questioning that which is being shoved down their throats daily.

but then, perhaps larry elders says it best "facts are to liberals as kryptonite is to superman."

thank you to all of you vets and current men in uniform who have stood, and continue to stand, in harm's way so that we may remain free. god bless each and everyone of you. know that there are a great many of us who love you and truly support you.

Wed Mar 21, 01:23:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tantor,

Great blog on the crap ANSWER tried to pull. I wish I could have made it down to stand with the vets. I retired from the Air Force back in 95. Remember well the E models, was a Squadron Medical Element member with the 480TFS at Spangdahlem 80-84

Keep slamming Moonbats and commies

Yankeefan

Wed Mar 21, 04:43:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Dave said...

Arrggg, I am really starting to hate liberals. The hardest part is that the mindset is so alien to me I cannot even place myself in their shoes. These utter idiots scare me. They are such total sheep, led to the slaughter by their own stupidity. I use stupidity because ignorance implies lack of knowledge. Stupidity means they are incapable of knowledge.

Symbols of spoiled brats.

Wed Mar 21, 07:48:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Bushwack said...

Thanks to all of you that attended, I was there as well, flew from Cali to make it.

I have some more pictures and a recap , I must say yours is the best I've read to date.

Wed Mar 21, 07:53:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

heidianne jackson said...
secondly, to anon above me:

the intelligence was neither flimsy nor cherry-picked. there were wmd. there was a link from saddam to al queda. there is a link from other me "leaders" to terrorism.

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I had to stop reading there. I feel the need to point out some errors on your part regarding U.S. policy formation in the run-up to and execution of the invasion and current military occupation of Iraq.

1) The NIE was totally cherry-picked with an intent to start a war with Iraq. Need I even mention Vice President Cheney's role in PNAC's policy papers on Iraq prior to 2001?

2) If there were any WMDs, I would like to see them. Saddam used chemical weapons on the Kurds, but with Western blessing. He might have been after nuclear weapons, who knows. I think it is inappropriate in how the Bush administration manipulated the public into believing Saddam's army posed a nuclear threat to the United States homeland. This was found not to be the case.

3) Saddam Hussein was a secular, socialist Ba'athist. A regime which was despised by militant Muslim extremists even in his own sect (i.e., al Qaida). He, in turn, despised Islamic extremists who threatened his position, and crushed them. Iraq did not have a sectarian terrorism problem when Saddam was in power.

4) Saddam was deeply unpopular among other Middle East leaders for being a brute and a socialist. It would be incorrect to liken him to the President of Iran or the Saudi monarchists, but I can see where some comparisons can be made. Saddam was asking for trouble with the Americans when he threatened to denominate his oil in Euros and not Dollars. The other excuses the Bush administration has come up with are tangential at best.

Of course, I would not be worrying about any of this if the administrators of the policy simply carried it out correctly -- that is, getting a larger coalition of the willing, sending enough troops, keeping the Ba'ath ministries and factories open, and not firing the Iraqi Army.

Of course, that is difficult to do when the casus belli is weak to begin with.

Just my opinion.

Wed Mar 21, 10:50:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY (RET) said...

Anonymous said...

Not exactly. I would not have started a reckless policy based on cherry-picked facts and flimsy evidence and even weaker opposition research.

Cherry picking? Tell that to the 4th Infantry Division and the accompanying authorities who uncovered TONS of WMD material.

Either fight a war for just reasons and send enough troops to carry out the policy, or don't fight it at all.

There are about 3000 just reasons we are fighting this war. As I said, terrorist nation states are all over the ME. At Iraq and Afghanistan are a good start.

Bring them home, they are tired and worn out.

Tired and worn out just like the Soldiers who fought in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. When you send troops to fight a war, you give them the numbers, logistics, and weaponry it takes to do the job. Pulling out, especially now would send the message to bin Ladin and company that we don't have the guts to finish what HE started. What concerns me even more than another possible attack on this soil, is the fact that the average American doesn't have the stomach to fight a war against Islamofascism for their own survival. Thanks for proving my point.

Thu Mar 22, 10:27:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You didn't refute the facts in my 2nd post, which is directly above yours.

Especially important is my point about Saddam Hussein versus militant Islamists.

Thu Mar 22, 11:11:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for all the pictures and your commentary! Amazing job. The people who do not like the way America is...I am sure they can find a place in that vast desert in the ME. ha!
Liberals are 'killing' OUR America!

Thu Mar 22, 02:35:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Texas Gal said...

BRAVO Tantor!!!

That was G R E A T !!!!

And I enjoyed your comentary very much too. Thanks for providing us such an indept recording of the GOE-1 event.

And I don't think I've had such a good laugh in a while.. :)

Thu Mar 22, 04:21:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY (RET) said...

Anonymous said...
"You didn't refute the facts in my 2nd post, which is directly above yours.

Especially important is my point about Saddam Hussein versus militant Islamists.

Thu Mar 22, 11:11:00 AM 2007"

Ok, let me give you a more detailed response, since you never read my first post:

Hussein had plenty of conections to terrorists:
Further evidence of terrorist connections:

Saddam killed Abu Nidal over al-Qa'eda row
By Con Coughlin
Last Updated: 1:15am BST 25/08/2002

Abu Nidal, the Palestinian terrorist, was murdered on the orders of Saddam Hussein after refusing to train al-Qa'eda fighters based in Iraq, The Telegraph can reveal.

Despite claims by Iraqi officials that Abu Nidal committed suicide after being implicated in a plot to overthrow Saddam, Western diplomats now believe that he was killed for refusing to reactivate his international terrorist network.

The head of Iraqi intelligence holds photographs purporting to prove Abu Nidal's 'suicide'
According to reports received from Iraqi opposition groups, Abu Nidal had been in Baghdad for months as Saddam's personal guest, and was being treated for a mild form of skin cancer.

While in Baghdad, Abu Nidal, whose real name was Sabri al-Banna, came under pressure from Saddam to help train groups of al-Qa'eda fighters who moved to northern Iraq after fleeing Afghanistan. Saddam also wanted Abu Nidal to carry out attacks against the US and its allies. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...5/wnidal25.xml)

I've seen the benefits of this war: One less terrorist sanctuary, one less Islamofascist regime-based threat in the region, (actually two, counting Afghanistan) the creation of fledgling Democracies....all that just for starters. And as in Afghanistan, we are fighting them THERE so we won't have to fight them HERE. The sacrifices are being made by far better people than you. Try, at least, to be worth their sacrifice.
We desposed of a WMD/terrorist supporting megalomanic. We're killing beaucoup terrorists. Alot of lefties, in particular,think we shouldn't retaliate against any attack against the U.S., no matter where, because gawd forbid, we might offend the little jihadists. The Iraqi government is now a coalition of representatives from the various tribes. Personal and tribal differences will not dissipate overnightbut progress is being made.
If America's critics spent as much effort in the GWOT as they do trashing the U.S. for what it takes to get the job done, they'd be better off. You'll notice that there hasn't been another attack in this country, but there's been riots by the muslim miscreants in France and Belgium, and Theo Van Gogh got a Koran pinned to his chest with a knife thanks to one of those terrorists to which Europe has placated. It's a tough job being the only superpower with the guts to say what we mean and do what we say, but somebody has to do it. If you can come up with another country you think is more courageous; who will step up to the plate and take the lead, then please, by all means tell us. Otherwise, we have a saying in the Army: "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way". We have gone over there to finish the war THEY STARTED. You've convieniently forgotten that 9/11 was the (final) catalyst for this war.
SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY (RET)

Thu Mar 22, 04:59:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would be incorrect to conclude that Saddam Hussein had any connections to the groups responsible for the 9/11 incident.

The article you cited was from August 2002, at the height of hysteria and administration-friendly reporting on dubious alleged ties between Saddam and al Qaida.

None have been proven thus far by any official agency within the United States.

Let's not use our grief and anger over the 9/11 event as an excuse to enter into military misadventures.

Thu Mar 22, 07:32:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Lock and Load said...

Can someone define for me what "administration friendly" reporting is? George Bush has no friends in the press.

"Dubious alleged ties between Saddam and al Qaida" - Does Salmon Pak ring your bell? Or was that airplane used to train terrorists just a figment of our imagination?

From an earlier post: I think it is inappropriate in how the Bush administration manipulated the public into believing Saddam's army posed a nuclear threat to the United States homeland. This was found not to be the case.

When was this ever the case? Bush was intent on keeping Saddam's weapons out of the hands of terrorists who might smuggle them into the US - I can't recall Saddam's army ever being an issue..?

From an earlier post: 3) Saddam Hussein was a secular, socialist Ba'athist. A regime which was despised by militant Muslim extremists even in his own sect (i.e., al Qaida). He, in turn, despised Islamic extremists who threatened his position, and crushed them. Iraq did not have a sectarian terrorism problem when Saddam was in power.

I think you have made a good point in showing that Saddam had absolute control - therefore, one should assume that all terrorists and their activities in Iraq were monitored and well known by Saddam, and he made no effort to curtail their activities, unless they crossed him. Sounds like a stable base for terrorism operations to me!

From an earlier post: Of course, I would not be worrying about any of this if the administrators of the policy simply carried it out correctly -- that is, getting a larger coalition of the willing...

What happens when no one else is willing to stand up to evil? Do we all just kneel down and wait to be shot in the back of the head? Saddam consistently laughed in the face of UN resolutions for years - where was the UN? UNWILLING! So, as usual, the US had to carry their water and get the job done!

You moonbats are all the same - consensus and coalitions are the only authority to you. Evil is evil, we don't need 20 other nations to agree! Ah, but I forget the other moonbat credo - moral relativism - which means that no-one will ever agree on what is moral/evil, so back to my previous point - let's just kneel down and wait to be shot in the back of the head!

I think not! Lock and Load!

Fri Mar 23, 01:26:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not understand this rhetoric of being "shot in the back of the head."

Saddam Hussein was never a threat to the Americans. Appeasement, or whatever you want to call it, worked just fine, because Saddam -- a brute to be sure -- was able to keep threats to his position in check.

Let's not forget that the chemical weapons campaign Mr. Hussein was hanged for was done with Western blessing. We called the victims "terrorists" and "assassins" back then.

Not that I am a big fan of Saddam, but we had a beneficial setup with him. There have been no proven terror ties.

Fri Mar 23, 09:50:00 AM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Anon: "It would be incorrect to conclude that Saddam Hussein had any connections to the groups responsible for the 9/11 incident."

Three of the suicide skyjackers of Sep 11 met with Iraqi agents: Mohammed Atta in Prague and two others in Kuala Lumpur. Those are connections.

Fri Mar 23, 10:04:00 AM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Anon: "Saddam Hussein was never a threat to the Americans. Appeasement, or whatever you want to call it, worked just fine, because Saddam -- a brute to be sure -- was able to keep threats to his position in check."

Saddam attempted to kill former president Bush the elder with a car bomb in Kuwait. Bush is an American. A car bomb is a threat. Saddam also shot six hundred surface to air missiles at our fighters patrolling the no fly zones. Missiles were a threat to the those American pilots. Saddam also posted bounties on captured and killed American military. That, too, was a threat.

Fri Mar 23, 10:07:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not good enough excuses, IMHO, to start a full-scale war with an ally.

The real reason was his switch to Euros. This is why only UK was on board with our coalition.

Fri Mar 23, 10:48:00 AM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Anon: "I had to stop reading there. I feel the need to point out some errors on your part regarding U.S. policy formation in the run-up to and execution of the invasion and current military occupation of Iraq.

Differing opinions are welcome here, unlike at the ANSWER rally. Likewise, I'm sure you won't mind me pointing at the errors in your rebuttal.

Anon: "1) The NIE was totally cherry-picked with an intent to start a war with Iraq. Need I even mention Vice President Cheney's role in PNAC's policy papers on Iraq prior to 2001?

The war was started by Iraq when it invaded Kuwait, when it refused to abide by its surrender agreement, when it defied 18 UN resolutions, and when it continued to threaten its neighbors and the world beyond.

Anon: "2) If there were any WMDs, I would like to see them. Saddam used chemical weapons on the Kurds, but with Western blessing."

You need to read what's in the media. To date, some 500 WMDs have been found. The Duelfer Report said dozens were found immediately after the invasion. Since then, the WMDs have been dribbling in with a big cache found a few months ago. One binary artillery shell with about a gallon of sarin nerve agent in it was rigged up as an IED and detonated near two of our GIs. Recovered Baathist documents are showing that Saddam had many of these WMD buried all over. Georges Sada, the former second-ranking general in the Iraqi air force, says that most of the WMDs were airlifted to Syria on two Boeing 747 freighters on 56 sorties.

There is no excuse for you not to know this.

The West gave no blessing to Saddam's use of WMD on the Kurds but rather condemned it.

Anon: "He might have been after nuclear weapons, who knows. I think it is inappropriate in how the Bush administration manipulated the public into believing Saddam's army posed a nuclear threat to the United States homeland. This was found not to be the case.

One of Saddam's scientists working on the atom bomb project revealed to the US the equipment and plans he was ordered to bury in his yard at home. Obviously, as soon as the heat was off, Saddam intended to activate his latent atom bomb project. The problem was that it was difficult to know exactly how active it was. After the first Gulf War, it was shocking to learn that Saddam had an atom bomb except for the nuclear fuel. From that, we learned that it was best to assume the worst.

Anon: "3) Saddam Hussein was a secular, socialist Ba'athist. A regime which was despised by militant Muslim extremists even in his own sect (i.e., al Qaida). He, in turn, despised Islamic extremists who threatened his position, and crushed them. Iraq did not have a sectarian terrorism problem when Saddam was in power.

Saddam was pragmatic and would form tacit alliances with whoever could help him. He allowed the Ayatollah Khomeini to stay in Iraq when it helped him irritate Iran. You can't get more extreme than Khomeini.

Saddam also worked covertly with the Al Qaeda camps in the Kurdish north, worked with Al Qaeda in the Sudan, and worked with Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

Iraq under Saddam was actively fomenting terror. Saddam was training 2000 terrorists each year immediately before the invasion, at the Salman Pak facility, 8000 total. This included Islamic fundamentalists.

Again, there is no excuse for you not to know this, as it has been widely published.

Anon: "4) Saddam was deeply unpopular among other Middle East leaders for being a brute and a socialist. It would be incorrect to liken him to the President of Iran or the Saudi monarchists, but I can see where some comparisons can be made.

Popularity doesn't count for anything among strongmen and dictators. The Arabs all hate each other. That's why the Middle East is so unstable. As the old Arab saying goes: Me against my brother; my brother and I against my cousin; my brother, cousin, and I against the stranger.

Anon: "Saddam was asking for trouble with the Americans when he threatened to denominate his oil in Euros and not Dollars. The other excuses the Bush administration has come up with are tangential at best.

Oil is fungible. It doesn't matter what currency you measure it in. Iraqi oil is sold regionally, anyway. America does not buy it. Europe, India, and China do.

Anon: "Of course, I would not be worrying about any of this if the administrators of the policy simply carried it out correctly -- that is, getting a larger coalition of the willing, sending enough troops, keeping the Ba'ath ministries and factories open, and not firing the Iraqi Army.

The world is content to bitch and let America do the hard work of keeping the world safe. For Europeans, it's the best of both worlds: they don't have to lift a finger to defend themselves while at the same time they can complain about America.

When we can take down Iraq in a month and a half, it's pretty silly to complain that there weren't enough troops. Likewise, sending a larger force to fight guerrillas will only marginally help the fight while providing more targets for the guerrillas. It's like sending more men to dig a posthole. What's needed is a different approach.

Iraq was set up along socialist lines and kept running at the point of a gun. It was inevitable that some factories would fail when the threat was gone. It's foolish to maintain ministries to manage industries when the Baathists in those ministries saw their main job as collecting bribes.

Likewise, it would be a terrible idea to keep the old Iraqi army, whose main job was to oppress the Iraqi people. That's not the army a democracy needs. Keeping the old army would be like preserving a poison pill to kill the new democracy, considering that it was a base of Baathist power. Most of all, the leadership of that old army was corrupt and ineffective. It could not be reformed. It had to be disassembled and recreated from scratch.

Anon: "Of course, that is difficult to do when the casus belli is weak to begin with.

Saddam refused to comply with the surrender agreement, which is casus belli enough. He defied 18 UN resolutions to keep the peace. That's more casus belli. He shot 600 surface to air missiles at US aircraft patrolling the UN-mandated no fly zone. Those attacks constitute a casus belli. He put out bounties on the capture or death of US servicemen. Casus belli. He attempted to assassinate a former US president, Bush the elder, with a car bomb in Kuwait. Casus belli.

Again, there is no excuse for you not to know at least one of these events.

Fri Mar 23, 10:56:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Lock and Load said...

My "rhetoric" is a pretty clear description of what happens to those taken prisoner by terrorists - a gunshot to the back of the head!!!!
No Geneva Convention protection, no Red Cross clamouring about air conditioning, just DEATH!!

A death I might add that many Iraqis faced under "appeasement" and the "beneficial setup" you claim we had with Saddam.

Yes, at the end of the day, this is the depth of the humanity of the typical moonbat - the countless deaths under an evil despot are part of a "beneficial setup."

Fri Mar 23, 02:01:00 PM 2007  
Blogger reverse_vampyr said...

Awesome post & pics!

I linked ya (and posted a few more pics, too).

Fri Mar 23, 02:44:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Robert Cody of NC said...

GATHERING OF EAGLES
"A FORCE LIKE NO OTHER"

MOONBATS
"MALCONTENTS OF STUPIDITY"

And That's The Way It Is cause
"WE SAY SO"
The Gathering Of Eagles 17 MArch 07

Fri Mar 23, 07:50:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for the civil reply, Tantor.

Though my mind is made up on Iraq policy, I appreciate that you have also done your research. Would you mind please posting the sources you obtained your research from -- notably regarding the WMDs and terrorist ties?

Thank you.

Fri Mar 23, 10:02:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is the worst report i have ever read. it is obvious that you know none of the real facts about communism or this unjust war for oil.

Fri Mar 23, 11:01:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous NavyVetDeb said...

great article and very accurate.
I was there and am known as the lil ole lady NavyVetDeb from GoE.I am humbled to have been able to stand with wartime vets who put their asses on the line for me. I was in during peacetime, up until the bombing of the barracks in Beruit. Thank You to all the vets who have gone before me and to those who have gone after me and now serve our country.

Sat Mar 24, 05:04:00 AM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Anon: "Thank you for the civil reply, Tantor."

You're very welcome.

Anon:Though my mind is made up on Iraq policy,..."

Why is that, anon? Wouldn't you say that declaring your mind closed is an irrational way to process information as opposed to the intellectual method of always weighing new facts and adjusting your position to reality? After all, the information available is likely to increase in volume and quality as time goes by. If you lock yourself into a position based on first facts, you are basing your position on sparse and flawed facts.

Anon: "I appreciate that you have also done your research. Would you mind please posting the sources you obtained your research from -- notably regarding the WMDs and terrorist ties? Thank you."

This is stuff you can easily find on Google, if you look for it.

A big picture report of WMD discoveries:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38213

500 WMDs found in Iraq:
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200606/NAT20060621e.html

Why They Might Have Been Kept Secret:
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/20067502716.asp

The Liberal News Media Minimized Their Discovery:
http://www.mediaresearch.org/press/2006/press20060623.asp

http://instapundit.com/images/Iraqdoc.pdf

Saddam's Terror Training Camps:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp

Mohammed Atta Meets Iraqi Agent in Prague:
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/2002question/prague.htm

http://www.slate.com/id/2091354/

Iraqi Agent Meets Sep 11 Skyjackers in Kuala Lumpur
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/152lndzv.asp


That should keep you busy, Anon. But after you peruse these links, sit back and think: "Why is this the first time I've heard of any of this?" Have your sources given you the full story? It doesn't sound like they have. To be frank, it sounds like you consume media that promotes a lefty party line and simply omits facts which contradict it.

What that means is that you will be sucker-punched by intelligent conservatives in command of the full facts when you try to argue your position. Now, we conservatives have an advantage in that we can not escape hearing the leftist side of an issue due to the pervasive liberal MSM. You, on the other hand, can easily escape hearing the other side of an issue by staying within the coccoon of the liberal media. It appears that is what has happenned with you. Let me tell you plainly that your liberal sources have played you for a fool by playing fast and loose with the facts. You screwed up. You trusted them.

Sat Mar 24, 11:02:00 AM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Anon: "this is the worst report i have ever read. it is obvious that you know none of the real facts about communism or this unjust war for oil."

If you are a communist, certainly you must have read worse reports than this, such as all that commie propaganda you swim in. For example, the one that told you America is in Iraq for the oil. The realest fact I know about communism is that it kills its own people in big bloody batches where ever it goes, one hundred million so far. And you want to give it another try.

Sat Mar 24, 11:08:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous jayniesgottagun said...

Great job. The irrelevancy of the MSM and lack of coverage is mind-boggling. This does seem to be gold for the 08 election. Run Fred Run!

Sat Mar 24, 02:03:00 PM 2007  
Blogger jethro said...

Tantor,I much appreciated your blog and pictures of the moonbats at GoE1!
Much more appreciated is your measured response to "liberal Anonymous" whom I suspect is nothing more than a provoker and leftist ideologue. Website are loaded with these types, though this one seems to have manners. Since it is your blog, he HAS to mind his manners, ha ha.
I’ve thought long and hard on why liberals espouse exposed untruths and fail to EVER acknowledge that they might have it WRONG (even about the most miniscule of untruths). For instance the (IT’S THE OIL!) mantra that is so fallacious on its face that even the most hardened hardcore moonbats who still have a semblance of reasoning power remaining, have stopped using it since it is sooo laughable!
Are they afraid to acknowledge even the falsehood of this ridiculous claim? As if to do so will unravel their entire sweater of falsehoods that they have been knitting with care, and bring their sandcastle dreams of worldwide leftist domination come crumbling down upon their pointy heads? The only thing I can come up with in my continuing search for the Why?, is that they have a Mental Disorder.
Now granted there are at least two main types, the hard core ideologue for whom I care not a whit! As they are CONFIRMED in their Mental Derangement ala socialists, communists, abortionist, and pornogrophiles just to name a few.
It’s the novice or neophyte, and simplistic disciple of the loser liberalistic mentality that needs to be awakened to their death-wish mentality and hopefully be saved from this self-destructive imbecility. So I applaud your effort in this regard.

Sat Mar 24, 02:14:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Jethro,

Actually, I prefer the raving moonbats because they put the stink on their cause for the moderate leftists. The anon liberal above is probably a well-intentioned person who only has liberal friends, is sure that what all his/her pals says is true, and is astonished that there is something to the rightwing positions.

Nobody really needs to mind their manners on this blog because I never delete anybody, except duplicate posts. The right to free speech is one of the many things which separate the right from the radical left.

You may be on to something with respect to the discredited "blood for oil" theme. I only saw a few of those signs at the rally. More interestingly, I did not see one "Bushitler" sign nor sign claiming America is a fascist state. It may be that these signs have been so well ridiculed that the lefties are embarassed to tote them anymore.

The protestors from the Vietnam War were never substantially opposed and their message stayed the same, becoming more vociferous. The protestors of the Iraq War are opposed and they are changing their message to appeal to the public. The flag-covered coffins are going away. They've given up most of their outright abuse of the troops and gone to a phony "Love the troops, Hate the war" theme, which lacks credibility. More and more, they are changing their rhetoric to resemble the Right, to claim to support the values of the Right.

Sat Mar 24, 03:49:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I followed a link to this blog from Wintersoldier.com, which I discovered during the 2004 election. It was a very interesting read and I must say I am very impressed with the comments, too. I'm failry new to blogs and I'm not used to such thoughtful comments. I, too, am very impressed with your exchange with the Liberal anon poster. Good job.

Sun Mar 25, 08:37:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Well, now, you're the kind of reader I want to attract.

When I was in high school, I was a liberal because everyone else was. I wanted to fit in. Conservatives seemed odd to me. My guess is that much the same dynamic is in play for our political opponents on the Left, especially the youngest. They follow the Left because it's the easiest thing to do.

Most such people take on political positions like clothes, following the fads to appeal to the crowd. You can not persuade them that fad is in error because they follow the herd, which provides them with self-esteem they need. However, you can plant the seeds of doubt so that when they mature and start thinking for themselves, they can look at the Left skeptically.

We can not out-shout or out-hate the Left. They're much better than us at that and are more feral in their political enthusiasms. However, our ideas are better than theirs. We can wear them down with facts and logic.

They won't ever concede they're wrong but what such an approach does is begin conversations behind closed doors about right-wing arguments. They will never admit the Right was right, but they will change their behavior when they become convinced they were wrong. We can see a slow change in some of the demonstrations as criticism and ridicule are targeted at the more egregiously bad practices and ideas.

Nobody convinces anybody of something by outshouting them. That's a tactic for people on the wrong side of an argument whose only hope is to bulldoze their way through. The better way is to dissect the positions of the Left and rebut them in detail, then present that to the more thoughtful lefties, the ones who have not drank their whole ration of Kool-Aid yet. Get inside their heads and let them carry your argument within their ranks. Our advantage is that we are on the side of the angels.

Mon Mar 26, 09:08:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Sterling Holobyte said...

You're right, Tantor. The more people see of the tactics of the raving moonbats, the better for our side. And I swear, George Bush has some sort of superhuman ability to bring out a "tolerant, open-minded" liberal's true colors. And the more they become unhinged, the more they expose the left's true intentions and mindset.
Unfortunately they are not all like that. While I would like to cheer when I hear statements like that from the Vietnam Vet who stated that we are "taking back our country", knowing that I and others would be standing beside him. I also know that there are other elements working against the traditional values we Americans hold dear; working in a much more insidious and covert way than the raving lunatics we see at demonstrations. And that is in our public schools. Through "diversity" and "tolerance" training programs and yes, even this mandatory HPV vaccination thing, left-wingers get their foot in the door, wanting to plant a little seed of their own, in OUR kids, through daily social-issue training of what THEY think is right, something that used to be reserved for parents, while they intimidate any sane teacher or administrator left who may have an opposing viewpoint, with their politically correct mantra. And fill positions with others who hold or are sympathetic to their secular-progressive world view.
So while "taking back our country", and the Gathering Of Eagles, are both great ideas, we'd best remember that our military memorials are not the only things the moonbats are going after.
So instead of pulling your kid out of public school and going private or homeschooling, we should also be chanting "we are taking back our schools!" And do it. We need more conservative teachers - teachers who will teach "readin' ritin' and rithmatic", and leave the social teaching to the parents and family - and we need parents who get involved - go to the conferences, know what your child is being taught, be aware.
Remember that the people you see tearing up flags and denouncing our troops were once someone's children - and they could be yours.
The left knows this. And now so do you.

Mon Mar 26, 10:59:00 AM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

Sterling,

Then perhaps the Gathering of Eagles is the beginning of a larger movement, a popular pushback of the politically correct tide which is nearly universally loathed.

Mon Mar 26, 11:58:00 AM 2007  
Blogger Tantor said...

The Washington Post has published a short video of the march:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/03/16/VI2007031601582.html

At the 1:50 point, an anti-war protestor, possibly associated with Code Pink, attempts to spit on a Gathering of Eagle counter-protestor. The lefties love to spit on vets.

Mon Mar 26, 11:02:00 PM 2007  
Anonymous SFC McElroy US ARMY (RET) said...

"Anonymous said...
It would be incorrect to conclude that Saddam Hussein had any connections to the groups responsible for the 9/11 incident.

The article you cited was from August 2002, at the height of hysteria and administration-friendly reporting on dubious alleged ties between Saddam and al Qaida.

None have been proven thus far by any official agency within the United States.

Let's not use our grief and anger over the 9/11 event as an excuse to enter into military misadventures.

Thu Mar 22, 07:32:00 PM 2007"

Hussein DID have ties to Zarqawi as well as other al Qadea operatives who stayed in Baghdad as guests. Hmmmm....anything that actually points out Saddam's WMD violations, terrorist connections and viable threats is dismissed as "hysteria"? Well, this retired Soldier is far from "hysterical", and my viewpoint is based on fact, based on intelligence sources as well as open source media. Oh my, lets not use our anger over an Islamofascist attack on this soil to strike back at at least two of the countries that supported, aided, and harbored them. trying to speak about foreign policy with individuals like you is like trying to reason with a brick.
SFC McElroy US ARMY (RET)

Wed Mar 28, 09:28:00 AM 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fuck the troops, off with bush's head!

Mon Apr 02, 02:37:00 PM 2007  
Blogger Randy said...

Just when I was enjoying the intelligence of recent posts, this has to show up. And of course the post is anonymous.

Wed Apr 04, 06:05:00 AM 2007  
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